Embrace the diversity
The BBC also can’t figure out how to talk about Meghan Murphy. What is one to do when yesterday’s feminists are suddenly today’s bogey persons?
A Canadian library has been criticised for refusing to cancel an event hosting a feminist with controversial views on transgender rights.
And misogynists have been criticized for trying to shut down and silence a feminist with reasonable views on women’s rights. We can all play this agentless “Xs have been criticized” game but it’s a bit cowardly and vague and uninformative so let’s not. People who think unspecified “trans rights” are always and everywhere more important than women’s rights are trying to shut women up when they object. That’s a more direct way of putting it.
Ms Murphy says she wants to ensure the safety of women in places like female prisons, women’s refuges and changing rooms.
In Canada, she has spoken against a bill that amended Canada’s rights act to prohibit discrimination on the basis of gender expression and identity over concerns it could undermine women’s rights by eroding their “safe spaces”.
“Under current trans activist doctrine we’re not allowed to exclude a man from a woman’s space if he says that he’s female and I find that quite dangerous and troubling,” she told the BBC.
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Judith Taylor, from University of Toronto’s Women and Gender Studies Institute, calls Ms Murphy “basically a provocateur”.
She thinks that Ms Murphy, in asserting the rights of one group “is implicitly trying to sideline another” and disagrees with Ms Murphy that safe spaces and diversity cannot coexist.
“The more that we start embracing that diversity the better our learning and the better our strength,” she said.
You can tell what Murphy is saying. Taylor? Not so much. Ok she disagrees with Murphy that safe spaces and diversity cannot coexist, but what does she suggest? How for instance do we know which trans women really do think of themselves as women and really do just want to hang out with other women, and which want to invade and usurp women’s spaces? How do we know which trans women it’s safe to trust and which it’s not? And, more basic, what do we do about the fact that feminist women may want to gather to talk about women’s issues and women’s rights, as opposed to the issues of men who want to be women? What do we do about the fact that those are different things? What do we do if we don’t want to give up on the whole idea of being able to talk with and organize with women around issues that affect women? What if we don’t want to share everything with men who feel, or claim to feel, girly? What do we do about the fact that we’re told to shove over in a way that no other oppressed group is? What do we do with our suspicions that that’s because misogyny really is that deeply rooted? Do we just shrug it off and resign ourselves to including some men in every single thing we do? Is that what Taylor thinks we have to “embrace”?
It really is so lazy of Taylor isn’t it. She says she thinks it’s possible that “safe spaces and diversity can coexist” but she wants to silence the only person around who is actually doing the work of thinking and talking about how to fairly make that happen.
If you want women’s rights and trans rights to coexist, you have to let both sides have a say.
Let’s flash back to the year 2005 for a moment. (Picture it: Black Eyed Peas’ “My Humps” on the radio; Harry Potter 4 at the movieplex; Grey’s Anatomy on the teevee… It wasn’t that long ago, is what I’m saying.)
That was the year the UK introduced the Gender Recognition Act, to enshrine trans rights in UK law. What’s absolutely wild is that the language of the Act and the language of the trans rights advocates who backed it is virtually indistinguishable from the language of most people who’d be considered dangerous TERFs today. Trans advocates openly acknowledged that there was a conflict between women’s rights and trans rights and that a compromise had to be made, which involved strict conditions on which males could be considered legally women and even then it allowed for strict sex-segregation where it was deemed reasonable to protect women’s rights.
So what the hell happened between then and now? Hell, they’re still making new episodes of Grey’s Anatomy! That’s how not long ago all that was. How is it that opinions that were considered the height of enlightened progressiveness when Grey’s Anatomy was in its first season have been likened to neo-Nazism by now?
I can tell you one thing that happened: just over a year after 2005 ended a little website was launched: http://www.tumblr.com.
I think the rise of social media played a big part in this madness.
How about this?
Judith Taylor, from University of Toronto’s Women and Gender Studies Institute, is “basically a provocateur”.
In asserting the rights of one group, she “is implicitly trying to sideline another”.
Yes, that too. Turn the mirror around, Judith Taylor!
And then…which set of rights affects more people? And which is more based in reality? Women are women, and as women are seen as and treated as a subordinate, inferior group. Men who identify as women…less clear. If the rights are in conflict, why is it self-evident to people like Taylor that it’s women who have to yield?
Hmm. That Judith Taylor thing is somewhat obfuscating. By calling her “Judith Taylor, from University of Toronto’s Women and Gender Studies Institute,” the Beeb seems to imply that she’s faculty, aka an academic, but apparently she’s not. It’s all weirdly cagey. Her page at that Institute calls her a scholar, but on the faculty page there is no academic history as there is for most of them…but not all. People are allowed to be independent scholars of course, but by invoking an Institute I think the Beeb is intentionally implying academic heft. It all has a strong whiff of manipulation.
Ophelia Benson @ #2
That’s what struck me: why is it ALWAYS WOMEN who have to “embrace the diversity”? Why can’t the MEN be asked to embrace the diversity of gender expression among men? Why aren’t MEN asked to embrace transgender women — their fellow men — in their spaces and events?
maddog1129 —
They’ve done surveys and found that straight men don’t want to embrace transwomen.
On the other hand, I think it’s likely that straight men would be fine embracing… oh, I see a problem here. I mean, accepting… transmen in their groups. If transmen wanted to be in their groups. And for values of “accepting” that include eternal ridicule. Which, really, is part of being ‘one of the guys.’
Papito @ #6
And don’t forget corrective rape bubbling under the surface of any “acceptance” of trans men.
If a woman wanted to use the male restroom at work, I wouldn’t overly object as I’m not the one potentially being placed at risk of assault (and I have enough self control not to assault women either using the wrong toilets or at any other time). Given the urinal situation I suspect I’d feel a bit uncomfortable.
If a clearly male bodied trans-woman wanted to use the male toilets, I’d feel that that was were they belonged, although I might still feel a bit uncomfortable, because let’s face it, difference always makes you feel a bit uncomfortable, even when there is no threat to you personally.
If an apparently female bodied trans-woman wanted to use the male toilets, see s for woman above. After all, if they pass that well I wouldn’t know without close inspection – which just ain’t going to happen in the toilets at work.
But yes, this is just a long winded way of saying that I consider it more appropriate for men to make space for male bodied trans-women as any claim that women should make such space.
Hmm not sure if my post fell into a spam filter maybe?
It did; sorry! I don’t know why – just one link. The thing is whimsical sometimes.
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She’s an associate professor in the department of Sociology:
https://sociology.utoronto.ca/people/faculty-and-staff/judith-taylor/
Academic faculty seem to be pretty awful about keeping their bios up to date… (disclaimer: I am one too, and guilty as charged)
Ah thanks for doing the work! I made the hasty assumption that the fact that most people on the page gave the relevant information meant that people who didn’t didn’t have it to give.