Anyone have a sense of how seriously the right takes Jacob Wohl? I only encounter his “work” when non-righties are mocking it, but I can’t tell whether the Trumpies regard him as a brave hero owning the libs or an embarrassment. I suspect it’s the former, given their high threshold for feeling embarrassment.
Does Jacob Wohl know that Trump’s mum was from Scotland, which is in the UK? I.e., a foreign country. As for his “dad”, do we have a DNA test? Because I’m not seeing a lot of resemblance there. But worst of all, Trump was raised in New York City, which the right and the press keep telling us is not part of the real America.
Just as well McCain didn’t win the presidency or you’d have had the Oval Office occupied by a Panamanian born, changeling-space-alien-lizzard-person, Manchurian candidate.
Mind you, that would have been a damn sight better than what you’ve got in there now.
I thought merely being born in USA was enough to be considered a natural citizen
Which is why the right was so determined to “prove” that Obama was born elsewhere, and demanded his birth certificate (even after he released it).
But in the minds of the right, I am probably not really a natural citizen, even though my mother and father were both born of citizens who had been here at least a couple generations (and were/are white), and conservative as the day is long. The thing is, if they don’t like what you think, you are not American.
If you happen to be non-white? It makes it easier for them, because the other voters will look at that non-white face and believe them without doing any real fact-checking. It’s easier to believe one was not born here, or does not belong here, if one does not look like you. And it’s easier to buy that than to go out and find a couple of facts that demonstrate it as inaccurate (though with Google, not much easier, because you can do most of that in seconds, but people still resist the idea of doing their own research). Things that show up in your Twitter feed are dissected based on whether you agree with the politics/religion/philosophy of that individual, not on whether they are true.
I don’t use Twitter. I don’t use Facebook. I try to get my news from actual news sources, which are unfortunately themselves often falling for Twitter hoaxes and Facebook frenzies all too often these days. It’s getting tough to be an intelligent, informed citizen.
It is. Some of the Obama birthers had a “fallback” argument that, even if he was born here, he wasn’t a citizen because his father wasn’t a citizen, based on a misinterpretation of the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” in the 14th Amendment. The history of the 14th Amendment, and the Congressional debate on it, makes it very clear that the phrase only carves out specific classes of people who are under another government’s jurisdiction.
Which is exactly what the Supreme Court held in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark back in 1898. The opinion is here, and a nice WaPo piece about the case is here
You can, of course, point to some 19th-century SCOTUS decisions that are questionable today despite never being overruled, but I’ve never seen any serious scholar question it, just nativist cranks. Hell, even most nativist cranks accept that it’s the law and content themselves with arguing for a partial repeal of the 14th.
It’s too bad the right doesn’t put at least as much energy in vetting their own candidates to make sure they’re not fucking morons.*
*Thanks, Rex!
Anyone have a sense of how seriously the right takes Jacob Wohl? I only encounter his “work” when non-righties are mocking it, but I can’t tell whether the Trumpies regard him as a brave hero owning the libs or an embarrassment. I suspect it’s the former, given their high threshold for feeling embarrassment.
This is the first time I’d heard of him. Googled for a bit of background, felt faintly ill, went away to do healthier things.
Does Jacob Wohl know that Trump’s mum was from Scotland, which is in the UK? I.e., a foreign country. As for his “dad”, do we have a DNA test? Because I’m not seeing a lot of resemblance there. But worst of all, Trump was raised in New York City, which the right and the press keep telling us is not part of the real America.
Just as well McCain didn’t win the presidency or you’d have had the Oval Office occupied by a Panamanian born, changeling-space-alien-lizzard-person, Manchurian candidate.
Mind you, that would have been a damn sight better than what you’ve got in there now.
I thought merely being born in USA was enough to be considered a natural citizen…?
Her yearbook entry is a bit cryptic, but I’m willing to bet it’s not code for ‘I enjoy non-consensual sex and drinking until I’m unconscious.’
Which is why the right was so determined to “prove” that Obama was born elsewhere, and demanded his birth certificate (even after he released it).
But in the minds of the right, I am probably not really a natural citizen, even though my mother and father were both born of citizens who had been here at least a couple generations (and were/are white), and conservative as the day is long. The thing is, if they don’t like what you think, you are not American.
If you happen to be non-white? It makes it easier for them, because the other voters will look at that non-white face and believe them without doing any real fact-checking. It’s easier to believe one was not born here, or does not belong here, if one does not look like you. And it’s easier to buy that than to go out and find a couple of facts that demonstrate it as inaccurate (though with Google, not much easier, because you can do most of that in seconds, but people still resist the idea of doing their own research). Things that show up in your Twitter feed are dissected based on whether you agree with the politics/religion/philosophy of that individual, not on whether they are true.
I don’t use Twitter. I don’t use Facebook. I try to get my news from actual news sources, which are unfortunately themselves often falling for Twitter hoaxes and Facebook frenzies all too often these days. It’s getting tough to be an intelligent, informed citizen.
Holms,
It is. Some of the Obama birthers had a “fallback” argument that, even if he was born here, he wasn’t a citizen because his father wasn’t a citizen, based on a misinterpretation of the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” in the 14th Amendment. The history of the 14th Amendment, and the Congressional debate on it, makes it very clear that the phrase only carves out specific classes of people who are under another government’s jurisdiction.
Which is exactly what the Supreme Court held in U.S. v. Wong Kim Ark back in 1898. The opinion is here, and a nice WaPo piece about the case is here
You can, of course, point to some 19th-century SCOTUS decisions that are questionable today despite never being overruled, but I’ve never seen any serious scholar question it, just nativist cranks. Hell, even most nativist cranks accept that it’s the law and content themselves with arguing for a partial repeal of the 14th.