He sees himself as somehow immune to these impulses
Daniel Bastian on the Harris-Klein conversation:
What’s clear from the outset is that Harris’s ego is still perhaps the central problem blinding him to many of his own strong biases. This is literally how he frames the conversation from the get-go:
“I’m not saying that everyone who did the work, who listened to the podcast and read all the articles would take my side of it, but anyone who didn’t do the work thought that I was somehow the aggressor there and somehow, in particular, the fact that I was declining to do a podcast with you was held very much against me. That caused me to change my mind about this whole thing, because I realized this is not, I can’t be perceived as someone who won’t take on legitimate criticism of his views.”
Heaven forbid there is someone out there who thinks Harris backed down from a challenge. For someone so ostensibly committed to defending a person who subscribes to the intellectual inferiority of African Americans, Harris seems positively paranoid about any affront to his own intellectual standing.
And he also unabashedly puts his own precious reputation front and center, and apparently expects us to put his concern for his reputation ahead of our concern about the harm this blather about race and IQ scores does. On the one hand, millions of people; on the other hand, Sam Harris. Hmm, tough choice.
The reason this conversation never really made it off the ground is that their emphases were both in different places and, where they overlapped, were out of register with one another. Harris thinks Klein is underestimating the reputational hazards that attend participation in questions about the science of race and other precarious topics. Klein thinks Harris underappreciates the intricate social and historical context waiting around every corner of a conversation like the one he and Murray had. Harris, moreover, thinks these conversations run independently of one another; Klein thinks they’re more or less indissociable. And round and round they go.
Klein says something detailed and persuasive, Harris responds like a brick wall. Repeat, repeat, repeat. It’s funny how Harris is desperately concerned about his own reputation but can’t figure out how not to sound so obtuse.
I think we do in this conversation get a better sense of Harris’s understanding of ‘identity politics’. For him, IP is something that other people engage in to lend unjustified credence to their arguments and positions. While he describes the phenomenon as using one’s skin color or gender to gain undue leverage in debate, in practice he often uses the term as simple code for tribalism, or to describe people whose motives for engagement are suspect and unfounded.
At the same time, he sees himself as somehow immune to these impulses. He honestly sees himself as sitting above the fray, reasoning from a purely Rational™ standpoint. His position is borne of sound principles, the other side’s of ideology. His views are dispassionate, unbiased and uncorrupted, while the opposition — which must include the many well respected scientists who’ve responded to Murray’s work over the years — is contaminated by identity politics and political agenda.
When Klein offers that confirmation bias and motivated reasoning might just be at work in Harris’s own approach to these conversations and, indeed, might explain why he is so quick to ascribe bad faith and malice to his detractors, including Klein, Harris demurs and doubles down, insisting that he’s “not thinking tribally”. Rather, the default explanation is that he and Murray have been unfairly maligned by dishonest parties who happen to share all the same concerns about the social implications that he does.
He does it over and over and over again, while we all squirm in embarrassment.
The fact is that anti-social justice (what Klein refers to as “anti- anti-racism”) is its own tribe, with its own tendencies toward cognitive fallacies and moral panics and all the rest. And Harris has always seemed more concerned with defending this particular tribe (read: his tribe) than using his intellectual capital and zeal to speak truth to the injustices and abuses of power that actualize social change movements. As Klein suggests more than once, this might be because Harris sees a part of himself in folks like Murray. He feels threatened by the march of social justice, anxious that he’ll be the next Murray-esque casualty in the crusade against destructive speech.
I.e. because he’s a vain, prickly, self-absorbed man with all the affect of a lawnmower.
Mostly, I can’t believe this IQ drivel has risen again like the vampire it is.
Go through the last century of scientific research. Watch the careful ones do their best to define intelligence (not an issue that’s been settled) and then do their best to come up with ways of measuring that. (Another can of worms.) Then the ones with lots of resources can apply it to vast populations. I remember a Norwegian study with data from over a hundred thousand people.
With huge sample sizes a few points of difference can appear between groups. Meanwhile, the variation WITHIN any group, no matter how it’s delimited, is an order of magnitude bigger. So worrying about the between-group differences would be like finding a tiny difference in skill between Italian and Greek dishwashers. Then, without any attention to the skill of the person you’re hiring, you take on Italian dishwashers because they’re infinitesimally better as a group. It’s that stupid. It’s been known to be that stupid for decades.
Yet people who’ve dragged out this dumb idea are convinced that by doing so they’re showing how smart they are.
Is there a better example of the Dunning-Kruger effect?
I have just waded through the whole debate between Ezra Klein & Sam Harris, and — diawl! (Welsh for ‘the devil’) — what an obnoxious and fundamentally stupid, saelf-righteous and impercipient person Sam Harris is, how swollen with wounded amour-propre. He doesn’t want debate, he doesn’t want to listen to others, he wants simply to insist that he’s bloody well right for no good reason that he adduces, except for the fact that he thinks he’s properly scientific and objective, whereas anybody who disagrees with him is out to get him. Narrow, trapped in himself or his idea of himself. It is an extraordinarily unpleasant and disturbing performance on his part.
Anna Y’s guest post and this post helped me define my terms. Self-Identification Politics (SIP) involves how I define myself. Other-Identification Politics (OIP) involves how others define me.
I read Bastian on Harris like this:
I read Klein on Harris like this:
I don’t mean all SIP is wrong, but that Harris defines SIP as wrong, and pure of SIP himself. As quixote wrote above in #1, “Is there a better example of the Dunning-Kruger effect?”
Well said all of you.
Mentioning this here because it’s the first Sam Harris thread I came across.
SPLC (yeah, I know) has an article about about how people develop or are enticed into “alt right” views. Sam Harris is mentioned. Part of that:
It goes on to talk about the Charles Murray interview.