Ew lady dirt
Another showy public display of women-loathing delays another El Al flight out of New York.
Last week, a scheduled El Al flight from New York’s JFK Airport to Israel sat on the runway for more than an hour after four ultra-Orthodox men refused to take their ticketed seats next to women.
It was not the first time this has happened at El Al, which was hit by a court ruling last year barring the airline from asking passengers to move based on gender.
Throw them off the damn plane, says I. No refund, no rescheduling.
El Al flight attendants struggled to resolve the fracas as the four men refused to speak to any of the stewardesses.
Put them off the plane. They can’t refuse to sit down next to black people or refuse to speak to black flight attendants so why the fuck should they be allowed to do it to women?
Eventually the flight attendants did ask people to move and two women did agree to move and the plane left 75 minutes late.
The two women who were asked to move on last week’s flight can file a lawsuit, according to Karen Saar, a spokeswoman for the Israeli Religious Action Center, which is linked to the Reform movement.
The gesture by El Al goes against an Israeli court ruling issued in June 2017 that awarded Holocaust survivor Renee Rabinowitz damages after an El Al flight attendant asked her to switch seats because an ultra-Orthodox man wouldn’t sit next to her.
The judge also requested that El Al train their crew members to prevent such occurrences.
“Women are being asked to move, and that’s illegal,” said Saar. “It was done after El Al, almost to the day a year ago, agreed that all of their employees would be trained so it wouldn’t happen again.”
Just say no. Tell the men to get off if they don’t like it. Escort them non-violently off if they refuse to go voluntarily.
El Al apologized for the incident but said the plane was not held up as long as reported.
“The flight left 18 minutes late and not as claimed in the uploaded [Facebook] post,” said Anat Friedman, a spokeswoman for El Al.
El Al added in a statement, “Any discrimination by passengers is strictly prohibited. El Al crew members are doing everything that they can to provide good and courteous service to a wide range of passengers, and to try to assist them. This is in order to take off on time and to bring passengers to their destination with the utmost security and comfort.”
But El Al ignore the court ruling and carried out the religious fanatics’ discriminatory misogynist demands.
If the men are that damn Orthodox then they can walk back to Israel.
And if they won’t talk to the female flight attendants, have the female flight attendants inform them, politely, that they will have to leave if they won’t take their seats. If they ignore the warning, have security (preferably female) remove them.
This is why I refuse to accept the common liberal mantra of allowing everyone to believe what they want to believe. They can’t just believe. If they believe they will be unclean if they sit next to women, or that they will be “tempted” if they sit next to women, they will disrupt other people and make other people conform to their belief. And many religions want their beliefs written into law so that everyone has to follow them. You don’t want to pray in a public school? Tough luck, infidel. You want to drink water during the heat of day in summer in the desert? Tough luck, infidel, if I can’t drink because it’s Ramadan, you can’t eat. Don’t want to have Lent-friendly menus thrust at you in every restaurant? Tough luck, infidels, I should not have to ask for the menu I want.
And if you happen to be female? Well, you’re going to face shit from Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Atheism, and any other ism out there (well, maybe not feminism…though some of the current “waves” – wow).
Jerusalem Post, these women were asked to move based on their sex. Their sex, not their “gender.” Nobody asked them whether or not they “identified as women.”
A passenger who refuses to speak to (or, presumably, listen to) particular crew members is a clear hazard in the event of an emergency. For that reason alone they should not have been allowed to fly.
Lady Mondegreen, good point. Of course, they’re probably cis women, so they don’t count anyway. Especially if they’re white and older.
David Evans, really good point. As someone who used to be a flying instructor I strongly approve of that sentiment.
I always keep a vial handy just in case…
http://farcornercafe.blogspot.com/2016/10/flighting-back.html
There’s been a steady trickle of these Haredi ’empowerment’ displays for some years now. These jerks know perfectly well what modern travel entails. El Al is obviously going to be their target of choice. So the airline should be ready to eject and ban anyone who tries a stunt like this within the first few minutes.
It isn’t as if El Al doesn’t have adequate security.
They’re afraid of being perceived as “hostile to religion”. Being hostile to women is acceptable; being hostile to religion is considered antisocial.