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Ah, the Daily Mail – surprise! – divulges some actual “salacious” details.
What is believed to be the 35-page document itself was published by Buzzfeed, which pointed out that it contained errors. Little of its contents can be independently verified.
Trump himself already dismissed the claims, tweeting: ‘FAKE NEWS – A TOTAL POLITICAL WITCH HUNT!’
The document claims Russian sources told the operative that they had extensive material on the now president-elect – including a secret film of him in the suite where President Obama stayed in Moscow, watching prostitutes committing degrading sex acts on the bed where the president slept.
That is, peepee games. Golden showers. Yuge hombre Trump peeing on the women or watching them pee…on a bed the Obamas had once slept in. Nothing childish or weird there.
President in ten days.
Hey, if Bill could have a unique cigar holder why shouldn’t Donny have a unique cigar extinguisher?
Seriously though, let’s have a show of hands of all those who are shocked or surprised by this………I said, let’s have a….what? Oh, you did hear me. Sorry. It’s just that when no hands went up I thought….ah, never mind.
Just my opinion, but I think by now we’re at saturation point (no pun intended….maybe) with ‘Trump does stupid/wrong/illegal/sleazy thing’. If his idiot supporters still don’t get it then they at least will be getting the president they deserve.
AoS, we reached saturation point (ick) some time ago. However, I do think Ophelia and others are doing a service to us all by documenting as much as feasible in easily found locations. how long OB and others can stomach keeping this up is another matter.
It’s certainly nice to see other topics come up, but at the end of the day I suspect Trump/Pence/GOP are going to be hardest on exactly the people Ophelia has always had a special interest in, so it’s also relevant to document his behaviour from that perspective.
Watersports? Really?
I think this is the only thing I’ve heard that has legitimately surprised me (following the complete re-write of physics and causality that was Dear Leader’s victory).
Even his kink is tawdry, cheap and reveals a deep -seated insecurity.
Rob, I’m not suggesting we stop hammering Trump at every opportunity, I’m just baffled as to why, with the saturation (sorry) coverage of his doings, there are still so many backing the buffoon.
I’m not suggesting we stop hammering Trump at every opportunity, I’m just baffled as to why, with the saturation (sorry) coverage of his doings, there are still so many backing the buffoon.
It is precisely that *saturation hammering* that galvanizes Trump’s support.
There’s a very, VERY good chance there’s absolutely nothing at all to this story. If that turns out to be the case, the media will have only ended up enhancing the man’s status while at the same time undermining their own legitimacy.
Americans, particularly White Americans, watch CNN and other MSM outlets with the same skepticism, Russians once felt when reading Pravda and Tass.
They piss on them.
It’s not baffling at all, really.
AoS – that answer is possibly a scary one. It might speak to people being too much like him. But I suspect it’s something else – the investment in energy and commitment they made to this buffoon, and they can’t admit to a bunch of “coastal elites” that they were wrong.
John @ 6 –
You base that emphatic assertion on what?
Why isn’t he threatening suing? It’s his way.
There is a metaphor that some of us never really grow up as adults, we are just like children in adult bodies. Trump has never left his diapers.
Just what are these ‘facts’ based on? I fear we’re into Dan Rather territory here.
Then again, perhaps Trump’s unusually yellow complexion is due to an excess of uric acid…
John, could you please answer my question?
It keeps coming back to the report Buzzfeed published. Is this the source of all the ‘sources’ like McCain, and the anonymous intelligence people? And why would bare-knuckle election campaigns sit on such a report?
So, while it may not be ‘likely’ that the 4chan hoax claims and other squirming denials hold any water at all, it is certainly possible that the same lazy, non-fact-checking media that allowed Trump what credibility he has, has not improved their standards on this story either.
Of course, Trump’s fawning over Putin, and his financial skulduggery, are probably enough to qualify him for prison, or a firing squad, without any specific sexual kinks tossed in. But it takes a sex angle to get Americans to wake up…
Of course it’s possible. But John @ 6 said, rather Trumpishly, “There’s a very, VERY good chance there’s absolutely nothing at all to this story.” I want to know where he gets the VERY.
And the absolutely and the at all, for that matter.
I can’t speak for John, but I am very concerned about the way this is being discussed. This is currently one step above a rumour.
Strictly speaking, it doesn’t have a very good chance of being false (or true). It has a 100% chance of being exactly one of the two. But we should treat it with extreme, and I mean all-caps EXTREME, suspicion. Because there are ample reasons that a number of parties including, say Russia, might be interested in spreading this kind of story if it can later be shown to be false (cf. the fake news about the Russians hacking the power plant being used to discredit other more justified reports of Russian hacking). For that matter, there are ample reasons why anti-Trump interests might be interested in spreading this kind of story. And at the moment, the evidence is, I think, at a substantially worse level than Colin Powell’s smoking gun for Iraq WMDs.
So for me, anyways, a very VERY good chance that there’s absolutely nothing at all to this story means that we should treat it as likely to be false. Which is warranted in these days, I think?
That being said, I hope to hell it’s true, because if there’s any way of confirming it, it will destroy Trump, and while that will mean Pence will be your president, he won’t have the same kind of movement or mandate, and will have every chance of being hammered in 2020. (Then again, every previous prediction of “this will destroy Trump” has been shown to be false, but if this is even half true, surely he gets impeached by his own party?)
Maddow was very emphatic last night that it was all unverified. She said that over and over, and not in an “I have to say this” way but in a journalistic way – it’s just not good journalism yet. So yeah – it’s all unverified “sources said” at this point. The MI6 guy is considered trustworthy, but on the other hand there are some factual mistakes in the report.
On the other hand, is it implausible on its face? Alas, not at all.
Really? How do you get “substantially worse” than zero, which is the amount of evidence Powell had? That would mean you had substantial evidence it was false, and that also is not present at this time.
John, could you please answer my question?
Look, from what I can glean, this is little more than salacious, unsubstantiated rumours. Even the local Trump haters on talk radio here are raising an eyebrow.
All we know for sure is that Trump really pisses off a lot of people.
@2 Rob, maaaate, Trump is very, very boring. He might even be relatively harmless compared to George Bush, the war-mongering butcher of the Middle East or the nuclear lunatic John Kennedy. Of course he could be even worse.
Ah you see that’s completely different. “Look, from what I can glean, this is little more than salacious, unsubstantiated rumours” is radically different from “There’s a very, VERY good chance there’s absolutely nothing at all to this story.” If you had said the former I wouldn’t have asked how you knew, because you said.
And nonsense: we know for sure a lot more than that Trump really pisses off a lot of people. We know how he conducted that press conference for instance. We know what he said on that Access Hollywood tape. We know how he mocked that Times reporter. We know he refuses to release his tax returns and lies about the reason. We know a lot about him for sure.
@John
I think it’s a bit more than that.
Stay tuned.
https://lawfareblog.com/about-explosive-trump-story-take-deep-breath
The document itself is interesting; it isn’t just salacious details. I haven’t finished reading it yet, but this bit jumped out at me:
And we now know who compiled the dossier.
And yes, he is credible.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/12/intelligence-sources-vouch-credibility-donald-trump-russia-dossier-author