It made its intended audience laugh, and show their teeth
There was a Hollywood prize-giving event yesterday. Meryl Streep gave a short talk there. This is part of what she said:
They gave me three seconds to say this, so: An actor’s only job is to enter the lives of people who are different from us, and let you feel what that feels like. And there were many, many, many powerful performances this year that did exactly that. Breathtaking, compassionate work.
But there was one performance this year that stunned me. It sank its hooks in my heart. Not because it was good; there was nothing good about it. But it was effective and it did its job. It made its intended audience laugh, and show their teeth. It was that moment when the person asking to sit in the most respected seat in our country imitated a disabled reporter. Someone he outranked in privilege, power and the capacity to fight back. It kind of broke my heart when I saw it, and I still can’t get it out of my head, because it wasn’t in a movie. It was real life. And this instinct to humiliate, when it’s modeled by someone in the public platform, by someone powerful, it filters down into everybody’s life, because it kind of gives permission for other people to do the same thing. Disrespect invites disrespect, violence incites violence. And when the powerful use their position to bully others we all lose.
O.K., this brings me to the press. We need the principled press to hold power to account, to call him on the carpet for every outrage. That’s why our founders enshrined the press and its freedoms in the Constitution. So I only ask the famously well-heeled Hollywood Foreign Press and all of us in our community to join me in supporting the Committee to Protect Journalists, because we’re going to need them going forward, and they’ll need us to safeguard the truth.
Here’s TrumpOnTwitter:
Meryl Streep, one of the most over-rated actresses in Hollywood, doesn't know me but attacked last night at the Golden Globes. She is a…..
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 9, 2017
Hillary flunky who lost big. For the 100th time, I never "mocked" a disabled reporter (would never do that) but simply showed him…….
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 9, 2017
"groveling" when he totally changed a 16 year old story that he had written in order to make me look bad. Just more very dishonest media!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 9, 2017
Meryl Streep, one of the most over-rated actresses in Hollywood, doesn’t know me but attacked last night at the Golden Globes. She is a Hillary flunky who lost big. For the 100th time, I never “mocked” a disabled reporter (would never do that) but simply showed him “groveling” when he totally changed a 16 year old story that he had written in order to make me look bad. Just more very dishonest media!
Where to begin. Over-rated? The claim is ludicrous. She’s a genius actor.
But even more absurd is the idea that we need to “know him” before we can criticize or mock or “attack” him. He will be the president in eleven days. The person who holds that office is and must be wide-open to criticism, period, end of story. We don’t need to know him personally to do that. And the sad truth is that he makes himself very knowable, especially by pitching all these ridiculous fits on Twitter. We do know him, and that’s why we despise him.
And then there’s the lie about his mockery of the disabled reporter. He says he didn’t mock him. Really?
So the Times called him up to ask about his reaction to Streep.
President-elect Donald J. Trump dismissed Meryl Streep as “a Hillary lover” early Monday morning after the actress, in a speech at the Golden Globes award ceremony, denounced him as a bully who disrespected and humiliated others.
Mr. Trump, in a brief telephone interview, said he had not seen Ms. Streep’s remarks or other parts of the Globes ceremony, which were broadcast on NBC, but he added that he was “not surprised” that he had come under attack from “liberal movie people.”
Not just liberal, Donnie. Many conservatives hate you too. If I were a conservative I might hate you even more (except I’m not sure that’s possible), because of the disgrace.
Mr. Trump, as he has done many times before, grew heated in the interview as he flatly denied that he had intended to make fun of the Times reporter, Serge F. Kovaleski.
“I was never mocking anyone,” Mr. Trump said. “I was calling into question a reporter who had gotten nervous because he had changed his story,” arguing that the reporter had been trying to back away from an article he wrote in September 2001 about the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and elsewhere that month.
“People keep saying I intended to mock the reporter’s disability, as if Meryl Streep and others could read my mind, and I did no such thing,” he said in the interview.
We can read your mind, because it’s so shallow and because you keep blurting it out in public. You’re an open book.
Mr. Trump said that, Ms. Streep and her allies aside, he was confident that celebrities and others would turn out in strong numbers for his inauguration.
“We are going to have an unbelievable, perhaps record-setting turnout for the inauguration, and there will be plenty of movie and entertainment stars,” Mr. Trump said. “All the dress shops are sold out in Washington. It’s hard to find a great dress for this inauguration.”
Sure. Sure you will.
I’m sure it will look just like that.
https://www.facebook.com/144310995587370/photos/a.271728576178944.71555.144310995587370/1407312562620534/?type=3&theater
https://www.facebook.com/144310995587370/photos/a.271728576178944.71555.144310995587370/1407319749286482/?type=3&theater
Well, it might look like that, if you went to the ‘free speech zones’ where people are carrying signs that say something less than nice about the Donald.
He should borrow one of Melania’s dresses. I’m sure she’d lend him one.
He’s in trouble if Scott Baio doesn’t show up…
A Poe fake news site has run a story claiming Ron Howard has ruined Meryl Streep by firing her from a Happy Days reboot because of her anti-Trump speech. The site’s “about” page contains the satirical disclaimer, but it is being shared like wildfire on FB by people who believe it and are gloating about it.
Bahahahahaha
I collected about an hour’s worth of the gloating comments over at GA, if you feel like having your eyes pop out (oh, and did you notice my tagging you in the Dortmund story?)
No, and I can’t find it now. I talk too much so get too many notifications to keep up with.
I’ll PM you the link.
First, how slowly does Trump type/think? Look at those tweets; 9 minutes between the first and second, 7 minutes between the second and third. That”s 16 minutes to produce 240-ish characters (inc. spaces). It would be acceptable if they were 3 tweets on different subjects but they aren’t, they’re just one long message divided between three tweets.
Second, how can he tweet about Streep attacking him and go straight into insult mode, then say later that he hasn’t seen the relevant speech by Streep? This is a man who will release the attack dogs (or nukes) on the basis that somebody told him something without even asking for the evidence.
Re Trump tweeting without evidence: he made a (now deleted?) tweet complaining about the TV show Blackish, knowing nothing about the show other than the title. He thought the title was racist. He reacts, he doesn’t think about anything.
His head would have exploded over the 1980’s excellent drama series The Boys from the Black Stuff, which most certainly wasn’t about immigrant children.
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How long does Trump expect this “yeah, but they voted for Hilary so we can just ignore anything they say” shtick to work? I’m sure he thinks he’s the president of the people who voted for him and that nobody else gets to have a say in how things are run but surely he’s going to find out that democracy don’t work like that.
Right?
Right?
Er…… right?
Part of me thinks he’ll piss off so many of his allies in the first month of office that the damage he would otherwise do is limited. But that part of me is getting smaller every day. At this stage it’s nothing more than a forlorn, wheedling hope in the presence of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. So many people seem to be Trump-enablers. When the media diminish his stupidity or horribleness or – frankly – treat him with any degree of respect at all; when the power hungry flock to his ragged banner of fuck-you; when anyone bites their tongue in a face-to-face meeting with Trump out of fear or respect for the office: everyone loses.
That’s easy for me to say, of course. The worst Trump can do to me personally is set a bunch of Twitter followers to harass me and frankly I doubt he’ll do as Ricky Gervais did when I complained about him (coincidentally) mocking disabled people by impersonating them. I still occasionally get some of those idiots showing up to tell me off and that was years ago.
Many people, of course, can’t afford to speak out against Trump, which I think is the most terrifying part of all of this.
latsot, if a post that PZ has up* is anything to go by, there may soon be a rash of Trump supporters regretting voting for him. It seems that at least some of them thought that Obamacare, which Trump continually promised to abolish, is a different beast from the Affordable Care Act, which many of them rely on for their…..well…..affordable care.
*I shan’t link to it, out of respect for Ophelia and with an eye to all the shit she got from his Horde a mere reference is all I can manage.
@acolyte:
That’s….weird, isn’t it? That Trump seems to think that the actual care isn’t at least somewhat independent of who is paying for it? Like there’s a chain of Obama Hospitals or something, with – what? I don’t know – shit x-ray machines or something, that don’t show bones.
I doubt many other Americans are quite so confused as Trump is about the issue, but there certainly seems to be a whole lot of confusion – possibly willful – happening.
I certainly won’t speak for Ophelia but I feel a certain sense of duty to defend PZ a little. I don’t think he personally contributed to the shit against Ophelia. It looks to me, an outsider, that he was mostly on her side. Some other bloggers then at FtB, not nearly so much. Greta in particular ought to be ashamed of herself and there were plenty of others there who acted disgracefully. But PZ is not in charge of what other people blog. As for his ‘horde’, get real. That’s the lazy language people use to dismiss someone’s influence without evidence. Creationists and slymers use it all the time, be careful.
Of course, chances are I’m completely wrong and PZ contributed personally to the bizarre hate against Ophelia. There’s an enormous chance that some – perhaps many – of his readers attacked Ophelia. But PZ certainly didn’t set them on her. Calling such idiots PZ’s horde implicates him unfairly, I think.
Fucking hell, though. That whole business still leaves a nasty taste in my mouth even though the only lasting effect on me was that I stopped reading various blogs. It was an extraordinary betrayal of both a friend and a principle. Knobheads.
Well, it’s a little bit complicated. PZ didn’t personally contribute to the shit against me…at first, but then he did. (In a post a day or two before I quit FTB.) He was sort of on my side, but he also stood there and did nothing while a number of FTBers publicly shredded me. What made that extra annoying was that he privately begged me to stay, but did nothing whatever to make doing so tolerable. Like: when Lilandra decided it would be a good idea to start a conversation on the subject on the back channel and all the Righteous Ones yelled “hooray!” and rushed to excoriate me…two people stood up for me (Taslima and Yemisi) and Stephanie Zvan instantly intervened to shut that down. Did PZ in turn intervene to tell Stephanie Zvan to go fuck herself? No he did not. He did nothing.
That was it; I left.
As for the Horde, and fairness, and so on – no, sorry, I don’t agree. There’s a reason the comments here are the way they are. I don’t encourage Horde-like commentary. It makes a difference.
Meryl Streep made a huge statement about respect and empathy; about why so many of us are bitter and angry at those who ignored and voted for this asshole and continue to defend him. Now there are “conservative” celebrities who are angry and hurt that she would attack Trump, be disrespectful towards him. It fucking turns my stomach that they are feigning outrage over her speech but don’t give a shit about all of the nasty things that Trump said on stump to get elected.
And yes – it leaves a nasty taste in my mouth too!
On the other hand once I left it was all good.
Mike – I saw a photo of Mel Gibson listening to Streep and looking very frowny. Ha!
I think that Trump knows the difference, but he was also aware that referring to it as Obamacare made it ‘a bad thing’. Whether he was banking on his supporters thinking it was seperate from the ACA I couldn’t really speculate but it seems to have paid off handsomely for him. I do predict much wailing and gnashing of teeth when his voters from among the low paid and unemployed realise that they voted away their healthcare.
As for PZ, whilst he didn’t join in with the haters, I do recall that a lot of the comments Ophelia received were from his regulars. I would have expected him to step in sooner to at least ask them to tone it down a bit, but by the time he did it was too late. Obviously what was said behind the scenes is between Ophelia and PZ, but I just feel he could and should have said something earlier. As for the other FTB bloggers who piled on, I don’t have the words to describe my disgust.
Yeah, he sure as shit did that. He wasn’t actually in charge of what they wrote but he could have been a lot clearer, couldn’t he. He absolutely *was* in a position to refute what other people said or to say something about it and he didn’t. Yeah, you’re right. I still think he’s a lot less horrible than most and means well but yeah, you’e right.
Horde-wise, I don’t buy it, especially these days. In the olden days he used to encourage readers to attack polls but I don’t think he’s done even that for years. But there are horrid people commenting there, sure. It’s better here.
You’re right. That was all shit and don’t think I didn’t recognise the shit when it happened. I talked about it a lot in various places. You’re right about PZ but I still think he’s a good sort of person with a lot of good things to say. I think he’s disgusted these days by many of the things his supposed horde say and do.
Yeah, he should have done a lot more, I don’t understand why he didn’t.
Yes, I think so too. We used to be friends.
And no I didn’t think you didn’t recognize – I’m quite clear that you did!
I think I sort of do understand why he didn’t do more. I think he was trying to keep FTB from falling apart.
Acolyte @ 22 –
Same here. But they did at least manage to punish themselves: they are now The Orbit. It’s a fate worse than death.
On the digression: It does seem like PZ has published a number of posts since then about the horribleness of people who won’t admit that a trans-woman is a woman. That is enough to convince me what side he is on.
Back on the OP:
I was listening to 360 last night, and at least one of the commenters was going on and on about “this is the reason why the Democrats lose” and the insensitivity toward Middle America. If we “coastal” elites would just get a grip, and recognize the value of these people, and stop saying what we think, well…. (I put coastal in quotes, because I am one of the people they are screaming at, and I am smack dab in the middle of “Middle America”, a long way from the coast)
They totally ignore the actual reality of this campaign, and the fact that the stuff being said by the “coastal elites” was less angry, less condescending, less exclusive than the folks in “Middle America” – the Trump supporters were spewing bile throughout the campaign, and they (the ones who say, oh gee, guys, why are we so mean?) are defending them, and saying that they have a point and we should listen to them. In short, they are saying if you are non-white, if you are female, if you are LGBTQ, if you are non-Christian, you should go to your corner and shut up. Get back in the closet, and maybe we can win elections. Never noting, mind you, that Hillary actually won if you count the votes. She won by more people than there are in the state I live in, a state that is supposed to be being “listened to” and sympathized with.
Showing up late to the game here, but I’ll still add some thoughts, because it’s the Internet.
Re: PZ and that whole affair, I won’t mince words. His treatment of Ophelia was abysmal. Yes, he may be a good person in general, but good people can do shitty things. And the way that he refused to defend her in any substantive fashion was shitty, in my opinion.
Who knows why? Who knows what he was juggling or is juggling, politically or otherwise? I certainly don’t. All I know is that from the standpoint of an outsider, the way that he treated her was completely shitty. And that goes for several other bloggers formerly on FtB, too, such as Dana Hunter. I appreciated her writing on geology enough to answer her call for help when she needed emergency funds, but I will never do that again. She proved herself to be just as much of a two-faced charlatan as PZ. It’s why I’ll never support “the orbit”, which is an amusing name from a rhetorical standpoint; they clearly didn’t think about the implications of that very much.
You live, you learn, you move on. As a friend has said, our circle is smaller now, but better.
Ophelia, that is just perfect. Still laughing.
re. The Horde; I can sort of find just a smidgen – not a big one though – of grudging sympathy for PZ in the same way I do with Dr. Frankenstein. He created the monster that came back to bite him on the bum when he should have pulled the plug.
Nowadays I find his hypocrisy off-putting. There was his recent ‘outrage’ over a sacred rock being desecrated ‘cos it was totes different from his desecration of a sacred wafer, and yesterday he put a post up about the moron just elected, despite recently writing one about why moron is a word he hates seeing used as an insult.
Still, enough about that bunch. FTB lost their best writer in my opinion, and have gained some pretty awful ones to boot – Anjuli being the exception. Her and Mano are the only reason I go there nowadays, though I can’t resist the occasional look at PZ, in the same way some people can’t resist rubbernecking at a car smash. Call it a ghoulish fascination if you will, but I’ll play the Playgirl magazine excuse; I’m only looking at the articles. Honestly.
I hope you also read Taslima!
Oh and one tiny correction – Frankenstein was no Dr – he got a promotion from Hollywood, if I remember correctly. He was just a college dropout, like Shelley (ok Shelley was expelled, for being an atheist). He was a punk kid, not a mad scientist. Plus his theories were DOODOO. (I trust everyone knows the reference.)
James Garnett #28
Isn’t it just!? It’s pretty hilarious, really, that they missed those implications. Surely any good writer would see them.
Not to put too fine a point on it or anything. OK that’s enough of me indulging my bile.
Ophelia #32
If DOODOO refers to something in particular (other than shit) I’m missing it!
OH! *slaps self upside the head*
Got it. Never mind.
:D
How did I forget Taslima? That’s three worth a read.
It’s been years since I read the original Frankenstein. Was he Baron von Frankenstein in the novel? A fantastic yarn nonetheless, the sort of horror story they don’t make anymore.
DOODOO? An acronym, I assume? Please enlighten me, I’ve tried google but the only definitions I get involve faeces.
Oops, wrong Paul; Rand, not Ryan.
It’s one of those days.
Acolyte of Sagan — re: DOODOO
Not a baron – just a bourgeois Victor.
I’m going to have to look at the orbit now, aren’t I?
First impressions: indistinguishable from clickbait.
I’ve never found it compulsively readable.
I don’t like the clickbaity way it presents itself. And seriously, Greta, you seem to have spent more time talking about your chocolate pie recipe over the last decade or so than about anything else. I like your lists, Greta. I don’t like your thoughtless condemnation of my friends.
From the orbit site:
“The” church? There are *lots* of churches, aren’t there and only one had a problem with Galileo This is a clear example of getting caught up in ones own rhetoric. We’ve all been there, we’ve all done that. But most of us haven’t started a clickbaity website on the back of a poorly-thought-out domain name.
Oh, and so on.