An infinite diversity
This is hilarious. It’s incoherent nonsense, but it’s also hilarious.
The modest title is:
What Does Multigender Mean? 10 Questions You May Be Afraid to Ask – Answered
Questions answered! Hooray! It’s always good to have an expert around.
There is an infinite diversity of genders in the world.
Each person has a totally unique interpretation and relationship with any gender they inhabit, and there are at least as many genders as there have been humans who have lived.
That’s drivel. It’s like saying each person has a totally unique interpretation and relationship with any soul they inhabit. It’s just a pointlessly elaborated version of the bromide “everyone is different” – which isn’t even all that true. Everyone is a little different, different enough so that we can have conversations, but everyone is a good deal more the same than different. It’s an illusion of youth that one’s precious self is Unique and so is everyone else’s precious self.
But calling it “gender” apparently disguises the banality and supernaturalism. “Gender” has become a mystical concept, a portentous way of glamorizing one’s tastes and habits. “My gender is zombie movies and sushi.”
Genders can overlap and negate one another, they can be positive or negative, fixed or in flux, and they can coalesce in any number of combinations.
Whooooooo, deep!
Or in other words, meaningless. Genders can ________. You can just fill in the blank with any damn thing you like, then add its opposite, then go on doing that all day until you fall asleep. It’s empty babble.
With that in mind, here are the answers to some basic questions about what it means to be multigender.
1. Is Being Multigender Different From Being Transgender?
No, it isn’t. People who are multigender (or polygender), fall under the umbrella of trans.
*takes notes*
No but seriously – who says? What’s the source of all this? Where does the author, Jenny Crofton, get her authority? Why should we take her word for it? How does she know?
She doesn’t, obviously. It’s just some currently-approved bullshit padded out with whatever she pulls out of her head – or perhaps I should say gender.
Being multigender doesn’t necessarily mean that you will make any physical transition. It also doesn’t necessarily mean that you disidentify with your assigned gender.
Multigender people can identify with – and even present as – their assigned gender, but because they also identify with one or more other genders, they are still included as transgender.
So in other words, it’s totally unfalsifiable. It can be X and it can be notX – and it can be both at once, if that’s what floats your boat. Unless, of course, you’re cis. In that case you can’t have any of this.
4. Can Multigender Identities Include Neutral, Negative, or Partial Genders?
Yes. With the exception of genders that are appropriated from marginalized groups (see below), multigenders can include any type of gender imaginable.
This extends to identities such as agender or neutrois, which refer to having no gender; demigender, which refers to having partial gender; and antigender, which is the opposites of another gender (like antigirl).
Except in the case of genders that are appropriated from marginalized groups – my god who would do such a thing!
Only…doesn’t that contradict “Each person has a totally unique interpretation and relationship with any gender they inhabit”? If my interpretation is totally unique how can it make sense to say I’m “appropriating” anything? It’s my interpretation. You can’t appropriate what’s yours.
A note on gender neutral pronouns: I have noticed a certain trend in group settings that I feel is detrimental to non-binary and multigender people. It happens when openly cis folks introduce themselves with binary pronouns, and with they/them pronouns as well.
Some of these people undoubtedly feel a connection to they/them pronouns, and there’s nothing about being cis that precludes their use. But for others, it seems to be a way of showing support for non-binary genders, or of communicating to the group that they would not be offended if someone referred to them gender neutrally.
Uh oh. I have a feeling there’s trouble coming.
Cis people who claim they/them pronouns are often not very diligent about using them, with themselves or with others; and as a result, the group becomes more willing to assume that forgetting a person’s “additional” pronouns is permissible.
Similarly, I sometimes hear cis people respond to the question of pronouns using phrases such as “Whatever works,” “I don’t care,” and “They’re all good.”
Maybe it’s all the same to you, but it isn’t to me, nor to many others. Consider the privilege that goes into being blasé on this topic.
God cis people are horrible. Don’t you agree?
There are people who are too afraid to ever come out as who they are, let alone to assert their multiple identities. Hearing dismissive language just makes it that much harder.
Cis people: Be specific when relaying your pronouns, and don’t intrude on identities that don’t really resonate with you.
Don’t be afraid to come out as who you are though.
8. Is Having Multiple Genders Appropriative?
That depends on the specific multigender identity in question. Many genders are culturally specific, including some multigenders.A prominent example of a culturally specific multigender is the Two-Spirit genders of some North American Indigenous groups. Because it’s impossible to access these genders without being part of a specific cultural context, it’s inappropriate for outsiders to claim any Two-Spirit gender.
Multigender identities can encompass many gender identities at once. If any one of the genders included is culturally appropriated, then the overarching identity also becomes problematic.
Pangender people, in a literal sense, identify as all genders. The problem is that “all genders” includes culturally specific genders that must not be appropriated.
Many pangender folks are sensitive to this, however, and identify only as “all available genders.” Some have even moved away from the term toward the word maxigender (maxi- as in “maximum”).
Outside the realm of culture and ethnicity, some gender identities are exclusive to intersex people, such as intergender.
Other identities are only available to neuroatypical people, such as gendervague. This term that describes being unable to discern their gender due to neurodivergence. Two other examples are autigender and fascigender, which are exclusive to people with autism.
Always look into an identity before claiming it as your own.
And never forget: Each person has a totally unique interpretation and relationship with any gender they inhabit, and there are at least as many genders as there have been humans who have lived.
You are both alive and dead – finite and infinite – maxigender and fascigender – possible and impossible.
So one can call oneself whatever one chooses, except when one can’t. Bafflegab! Absolute non-gender specific bollocks!
Well. If you ask me it sounds like a total big hot mess inside for a multigender person. A terrible argumentative babble from all the genders coalescing and fluxing. My advice is to tell them all to shut up and go away. They are ridiculous. And probably need medical attention.
My gender is cat/dog/fish/sea urchin. And it’s a mess in there.
PS I am not afraid to ask those questions. But I fear the responses. . .
This so much makes a person One with The Whole — a Universalist.
The opposite being, of course, a Particularist: a universal Zero.
Those are almost all the bases needed to span up an entire dimension, once an analog for addition and multiplication can be invented, for a linear space of general yet specific properties. With that in hand, you can import practically any function and perform whatever transformations take your fancy. In short, make up your own reality!
FAR OUT!!1! Is that transcendental or what?
— What, I’d say, given those two alternatives. More specifically, as the uncouth old Swedes might put it: trams, meaning “crap” or “diaperfill” (not at all trolley!)
Now, excuse me while I collect my disperse body parts and go apply for a PhD in Pileosophy. And always remember: All your base are belong to us! Capacitance is futle. Or words to that effect.
So what is it about being a part of a particular culture that grants access to its special genders? I thought gender was innate… or is it cultural, but only for certain cultures? Hmm, so confusing. I’m so glad there are people out there willing to spell it out for my incapable cis-gendered mind.
It’s really consumer culture at its most inventive, isn’t it? Express yourself! Show the world who you are with your own unique GenderBrand gender!
Consider the privilege! The privilege of not taking this preening self-important bafflegab all that seriously! I mean really, how dare you.
Important concepts like “privilege” have pretty much been trashed by these trendy little (small-n) narcissists.
Oh, honey. Lots and lots of people–billions, at a guess–are afraid to “come out as who they are.” Social animals like humans feel these constraints, these tensions between what we feel inside, who we imagine we “really” are, and behavior that allows us to fit in with others.
At least, the humans in well-off industrialized societies do. I imagine lots of people on the planet are too busy surviving to give it a thought. They should really check their privilege.
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Here’s a good article about “two-spirit” and similar identities. Read beyond the point about not appropriating poorly-understood indigenous identities: the author points out that gender nonconforming identities (which were reserved mostly for men,) were unheard of in sexually egalitarian tribes. In other words, societies that don’t force people into social boxes based on the genitals they possess have no need for multigenders.
https://culturallyboundgender.wordpress.com/2013/03/09/toward-an-end-to-appropriation-of-indigenous-two-spirit-people-in-trans-politics-the-relationship-between-third-gender-roles-and-patriarchy/
All marginalized groups except women, needless to say.
“Genders can overlap and negate one another, they can be positive or negative, fixed or in flux, and they can coalesce in any number of combinations.”
This sounds like a lava lamp.
Can marginalized groups appropriate the gender(s) of dominant groups without penalty or stigma? What if you find a gender that nobody is using just laying there on the ground. Is it okay to pick it up and put it on or do you have to turn it in to Lost and Found? I suppose you could just leave it there for someone else who might be a gender or two short.
I guess if you in all honesty have accidentally accessed a gender to which you are not entitled, you’re screwed.
Maybe this could be submitted to Social Text. I can even suggest a title:”Transgressing the Boundaries: Towards a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gender”
Dear gawd, this is like quantum mechanics. “Do you know what gender you are?”
“No, but I know exactly where I am.”
It’s amazing how many genders, gender categories, gender subtypes, and even gender etiquette rules there are and yet…..we still have no coherent definition on what the fuck “gender” actually is according to these complex snowflake people.
Seriously, can we just label it “personality” and call it a day? With a dose of fashion preferences? How bout we throw in your preferred social expectations traditionally based on sex that you’ve internalized??
From there, how does one then validate another’s gender exactly? Are you asking me to treat you with your preferred form of prejudice? If you identify as a “demigirl” should I treat you as inferior and hysterical only half of the time? Which half?
I thought the funniest bit was the end:
that’s outrageous! We need more research! How many multigenders remain undiscovered?
well at least we’re making progress mapping the genderspace.
Some of that language sounds a lot like trans erasure… Has there been a crucible scheduled?
Ambigender – two genders experienced simultaneously as equal and unchanging
Chaosgender – gender that is highly unpredictable
Genderfuck – a subversive gender that can be singular or multi
Demifluid – having multiple genders where some are fluid, while others are static
Collgender – not pangender, but having too many genders to describe
*collapses in inextinguishable laughter*
I have researched this and I can now reveal that my gender is Sainsbury’s Taste the Difference Belgian Chocolate and Ginger Cookie and my pronouns are yummy, delicious and orgasmic.
Thank you.
Which is one thing that struck me, except, of course, cis-women are not marginalized (maybe women of color might be allowed a smidgeon of marginalization, but if they really want to be marginalized, they need to be trans- of color). We are the epitome of privilege, because….well, what better way to hate on women than make them the privileged oppressor?
It’s sort of like I was told on a different site, because I had the bad judgment to be born a white woman, I am not personally responsible for all the awful things done by white women – in this case, Donald Trump. Because some white women helped elect the orange monstrosity, all white women are now equally guilty, no matter how much they may have worked against, spoken against, written against, and voted against the monster.
It’s the same principle. I am guilty, just by virtue of being a white, cis-hetero woman. Oh, my god, what if they find out I’m a “coastal” elite? (Living in Nebraska, I’m not sure that’s possible, but….)
And it sounds like a sour joke, but a great many who choose this brand of activism really do see it that way – that “cis” women / White Feminists are the most oppressive people there are. It’s as if we’re all Mommy telling them to put their underpants in the laundry.
Your Name’s not Bruce? @ #8
:D
In lieu of internet, please accept this shiny new gender identity.
It isn’t funny, you have no idea how hard it can be. I was happily driving my car one day, being all manly and cis when suddenly I was a ditzy woman driving too fast in traffic and crashed into the car in front. Yes, that rear-ender was a gender fender bender.
I’m here all week. Try the salmon.
What, ANOTHER ONE ?!! Oh, sorry, I mean…
Thank you, thank you very much.
Moments ago my GI was hot cocoa with marshmallow. Later on I,m anticipating hazelnut.
My gender medley for today is Tagalong, Do-Si-Do and Thin Mints. Later it will be Talenti Rasberry Chocolate Chip.
“Similarly, I sometimes hear cis people respond to the question of pronouns using phrases such as “Whatever works,” “I don’t care,” and “They’re all good.”
Maybe it’s all the same to you, but it isn’t to me, nor to many others.”
It’s bad to be rigid about gender, it’s good to be unconforming and fluid about gender, but it’s bad to be TOO fluid about gender, so stop being so fluid, you rigid cis-person, you.
I wonder if women made that list? Nah, too privelaged I guess.
How about fuck off? I don’t give a rat’s arse about the pronouns people use for me, and I think it fairly reasonable that I also don’t give a rat’s arse about not giving a rat’s arse about it.
Or more succinctly, fuck off.
It must be awesome to be maxigender. All genders – available ones, of course – plus cultural pomposity… you’d get to lecture everyone!
So anyway, gender has become as meaningless as the colour of a soul and the number of angels dancing on the head of a pin. Way to go, nitwits.
Holms; are the dancing angels stomping or mincing? Are they accessing angelic-appropriate gender expressions or are they appropriating culturally specific genders from marginalized groups, say like the Etruscans or ancient Sumerians? Who can possibly be more marginalized than members of extinct cultures? They’ve been marginalized right off the culturo-gendric landscape! And don’t get me started on those who dare to identify/express as extinct species. It’s like stealing the voices of those who can no longer speak (or growl/chirp/whatever) for themselves.
It’s post-modernist word soup. I dislike pomo academic discourse intensely.
I found this link recently. I thought it might be of interest to folks here
Steamshovelmama, thanks for that link.
Ophelia, and everybody, Steamshovelmama’s linked article is about social pressure on unfeminine women to transition. It’s excellent.
Lady M, when I was in therapy a number of years ago, I was talking with my therapist about my difficulties because of having been given messages to “be feminine”, which my 3 year old self had internalized and which were still tormenting my 25 year old self. I told him I didn’t have a good sense of being a woman. He immediately jumped to did I want to transition, which wasn’t anything about the point I was trying to make, which had to do with the refusal of society to accept that women had as many diverse personalities as men.
To his credit, when I explained that I was not interested in that, he dropped the topic, and we worked on my real problem. I feel very fortunate that he was listening to me better than other people in my life had typically listened to me. With the way I felt in those days, if a man had told me I should transition, I probably would have believed him, because I had been so ferociously socialized that way.
I think my favourite multigender is:
“Genderfuck – a subversive gender that can be singular or multi”.
I think I will be genderfuck. Then I get the thrill of using a rude word and the satisfaction of knowing that I am subversive and a rebel even among non-conformists. Plus this gender is not actually defined and no-one knows in what way it is subversive so if anyone argues, I can just say that they don’t get it. Then I can complain that they are oppressing me.
Since by the definitions given by the proponents of gender identity ideology, I am not female (I only thought I was a woman because I had an adult female body but know I know what a wicked, privileged attitude that was) I need to choose a new gender identity and this seems like a good one, fuck yeah!
iknklast
This is what terrifies me. We’ve lost that insight, that women have as many diverse personalities as men. It’s terrible that “butch” girls are being pressured to transition, and hell, it’s not just them, any more. Any girl or woman who doesn’t feel like she conforms inwardly to some arbitrary social template called “woman” is being told she’s not one. How did this happen? How did we regress so far?
I’m glad your therapist listened, iknklast.
Why do these people seem to think that the way to address the problem of putting people in boxes that don’t fit them is to create better boxes?