Things fall apart
Meanwhile, Jeremy Corbyn sacked Hilary Benn in the middle of the night and many Labour MPs have quit the shadow cabinet in response, while the BBC is reporting that Corbyn sabotaged the Remain campaign.
Interesting times.
The latest update from the Guardian:
Writing for the Guardian, Phil Wilson – the chair of the Labour in for Britain group – has called on Jeremy Corbyn to resign, claiming he sabotaged the party’s remain campaign.
[Corbyn] himself issued a note to all MPs on 17 September 2015 telling them that Labour would campaign to remain in the European Union. And yet he decided to go on holiday in the middle of the campaign. He did not visit the Labour heartlands of the north-east and instead raised esoteric issues such as TTIP which had no resonance on the doorstep.
This leads to me to the greatest betrayal and the final straw for many MPs. I have been told and shown evidence by an overwhelming number of unimpeachably neutral Labour remain staff that Corbyn’s office, for which he must take full responsibility, consistently attempted to weaken and sabotage the Labour remain campaign, in contravention of the party’s official position.
Here’s Laura Kuenssberg at the BBC less than an hour ago:
There have been concerns about Jeremy Corbyn’s performance for months and months. But it was his role, or lack of role, in the campaign to keep the UK in the EU, and his sacking of Hilary Benn in the middle of the night, that has given members of the shadow cabinet the final reasons to quit. Several have already gone; as many as half will be gone by the end of the day, I understand.
And documents passed to the BBC suggest Jeremy Corbyn’s office sought to delay and water down the Labour Remain campaign. Sources suggest that they are evidence of “deliberate sabotage”.
One email from the leader’s office suggests that Mr Corbyn’s director of strategy and communications, Seumas Milne, was behind Mr Corbyn’s reluctance to take a prominent role in Labour’s campaign to keep the UK in the EU. One email, discussing one of the leader’s speeches, said it was because of the “hand of Seumas. If he can’t kill it, he will water it down so much to hope nobody notices it”.
Wow. If that’s true…I wonder what they think of themselves now.
A series of messages dating back to December seen by the BBC shows correspondence between the party leader’s office, the Labour Remain campaign and Labour HQ, discussing the European campaign. It shows how a sentence talking about immigration was removed on one occasion and how Mr Milne refused to sign off a letter signed by 200 MPs after it had already been approved.
The documents show concern in Labour HQ and the Labour Remain campaign about Mr Corbyn’s commitment to the campaign – one email says: “What is going on here?” Another email from Labour Remain sources to the leader’s office complains “there is no EU content here – we agreed to have Europe content in it”. Sources say they show the leader’s office was reluctant to give full support to the EU campaign and how difficult it was to get Mr Corbyn to take a prominent role.
What.a.shambles.
Interesting indeed. However, this story is a largely a bullshit PR stunt created by Blairites and aided of Kuenssberg. We always knew it was coming. Look at the actual evidence: ‘a source (always Blairite) said’, ‘a document seen’ by someone that is reported to say something. What hard, solid evidnece have they actually produced. None!
In fact Corbyn campaigned for Remain around the country tirelessly and delivered 63% of Labour to remain. Note that Nicola Sturgeon only got 64% of SNP!
What Corbyn DID do was refuse to lie and bullshit like almost everyone else did (thus hysterically polarising the debate) That’s what these asshats are complaining about, but they would have complained whatever. They are despicable scumbags IMO. Do not trust UK media reporting on this topic.
Yours somewhat crossly!
Stephen
But, but, but, WHY? I haven’t been following the Corbyn side of things at all. Could he have been thinking only the London financiers would lose money, and it would be better for wages with fewer Polish plumbers? ?? This is so bizarre.
What the Remain campaign really needed to do was address the immigration issue head on. That’s where the Leavers got their votes. That’s why they didn’t care what the experts said about the economy.
Who knows. Everybody seems so shellshocked, maybe they really will decide some form of do-over is in order. Possibly by Parliament not actually passing it, since officially it was nonbinding.
Tell us more, Stephen! Seriously. I want to know more.
Quixote–
Left-wing Brexiters view the EU as a “neoliberal” corporate conspiracy that benefits only “the elite.” Glenn Greenwald has a lengthy piece up about why the Leave vote is a grand and noble expression of working class anti-elitism, untainted by racism and xenophobia.
It’s not as completely simple-minded as that, is it?
There are reasoned and reasonable objections to free trade treaties, for a start – they can overrule laws to protect workers or the environment or the consumer or all three. That kind of thing. Some of the objections to the EU are of that sort, aren’t they? (I share those objections, for what that’s worth.)
What Stephen Law said.
Since Corbyn was elected leader (democratically and overwhelmingly) there have been people in the party that have not been able to accept this and have been constantly nitpicking since then. They have given it a bit of a rest for the past few weeks but as Stephen Law says we saw it coming.
One of the criticisms have been that Corbyn would not share a platform with Cameron. Why would he?
Cameron has been saying the EU is better for the NHS and protecting workers rights-he couldn’t give a toss about either.
Another criticism is Corbyn’s 7 1/2 rating for the EU. A lot of people who voted remain (including myself) feel the same way, ‘ it’s not perfect but it’s better then the alternative’ isn’t as catchy as ‘DISASTER’ though.
And this is where the press should take some responsibility . They could of reported more about Corbyn on the Labour remain campaign but they might have missed Boris Johnson falling off his bike and saying bugger and that’s apparently fare more interesting.
Agreed. The media should go in for a long period of self-examination. They won’t of course.
Jeremy was indeed all over the place holding sensible, civilised meetings. Even the supposedly serious media didn’t report those meetings and definitely found Boris and his lying bus arriving in yet another small town to be greeted by carefully assembled shouty hooligans far more exciting. There’s no point in the BBC claiming – this evening, Radio 4 – that their website had a lot of good, fact-checked information. It did indeed but it was cancelled by their urge to cover Boris as though he were Elvis or the Messiah.
They should be ashamed of themselves.
There was a Blairite on the BBC yesterday complaining that Corbyn made “nuanced arguments” during the campaign. Apparently he should have just told any lie he could to get the ‘right’ result, and they wonder why no one trusts them
@Maureen Brian
On radio 4’s feedback there was someone complaining about the coverage being too tory based.Although he didn’t mention labour in particular he said the BBC had mostly ignored arguments for both sides from other political interests.
So remain has been mostly pretending to care about things they don’t care about and leave, liars and bigots.
@Nell
It’s so damn patronising isn’t it.
‘Doesn’t matter what you say, just insert these buzz words in and move your arms in an inclusive manner,that’s all the plebs need to see’.
It’s their version of ‘ew look shiny things’. It’s frustrating for many people,unfortunately some people lap it up.
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Interesting. Sarah Ditum also has an interesting piece on Corbyn over at New Statesman. She’s very pro-Labour, but feels Corbyn was mealymouthed and little use. I heard about Greenwald distinuishing himself. Again. He was an outstanding journalist once.
Maureen B’s points about the media: God, they sound just like the US media. It’s all about the clickbait.
Can’t run democracies on clickbait. I guess we’re in the process of finding out what you can run on it.
If the Blairites can’t handle Jeremy Corbyn then why don’t they split from Labour and be done with it?
quixote – yes, Sarah’s piece was the first item I saw about Corbyn yesterday and I have a very high opinion of her judgement, so that influenced my view of the items I read after that.
https://twitter.com/sarahditum/status/687209574357692416
http://archive.jta.org/1941/09/18/archive/nazis-impose-curfew-upon-brussels-jews
I also read her article where she had freakout because too many men turned up to a Reclaim The Night rally. That’s two strikes.
* I confess I haven’t read the Grazia article; I’m relying on her own self-description of the piece.
omigod a tweet you don’t like? The horror!
justinr: You did see the photo that went with that tweet, that put it all into context, right? That alone makes it clear what the article would contain. The column would’ve been a specific retort to the tired, haggard line that women were responsible for being sexually assaulted (in this case, in Cologne). In particular, people were saying that women should expect that treatment for being out in public so late. In response to such bullshit, it’s hardly surprising that someone might suggest that if anyone needs to be curfewed, it would be the group that actually does the assaulting, not the victims.
One thing that’s amusing to me about the
conservativeradical clique in modern Anglosphere feminism is that no matter how odious their opinions are, the response is always ‘Did I hurt your manfeelz?’, like they jumped the line at a self-serve buffet rather than indulging in bigoted or fascistic fantasies.———————————————————————————
#Freemage: The only thing that would change my mind would be to read the article. It’s still behind a paywall.
Oh for fuck’s sake, justinr. You’re comparing a joke about a curfew for men–and Freemage has given you the context–to actual curfews imposed on Jews by Nazis.
That’s offensive (not least to Holocaust victims.) It’s exactly the sort of overwrought reactionary hysteria MRAs indulge in. Chuckles about manfeels would be the kindest response.