Is too so a victory for hatefulness
Another way I don’t agree with Robert Reich’s take. This piece is in AlterNet and it’s either identical to the one in the Guardian or almost identical.
What happened in America Tuesday should not be seen as a victory for hatefulness over decency. It is more accurately understood as a repudiation of the American power structure.
I wish.
For one thing – what sense does it make to claim it’s more accurately understood as a repudiation of the American power structure when Trump exploited that power structure to get rich as fuck?? Just being vulgar doesn’t make you not part of the power structure. Just being “an outsider” in the sense that you’ve always worked for your own profit doesn’t make you not part of the power structure. Being sexist and racist and a hateful bully doesn’t make you not part of the power structure. Trump is part of that power structure, and he’s certainly not any kind of friend of the powerless. He calls powerless people losers.
For another – again, average income of Trump voters is higher than Clinton’s, not lower, so how would that work exactly?
For another – many Trump fans may have thought they were striking a blow against the American power structure, but that doesn’t rule out their being also up to their eyes in hatefulness.
For one more, Trump’s conspicuous noisy relentless hatefulness didn’t prevent him from being elected, so yes, in fact, his election is a victory for hatefulness. That’s a major reason it is such a bad terrible horrifying thing.
Too true, alas.
You are absolutely right. Sure some working class white guys voted for him, but so did wealthier educated white men and their female handmaidens.
Trump’s victory is a big F*&%K YOU to all women of color, feminists (not the fun fems of course) and all men of color.
So the Presidency, Congress and the Supreme Court are not part of the power structure. Okay. So the Republicans are going to do nothing with all this not-part-of-the-power-structure stuff they’ve just been handed on a plate.
Yep. Who needs a manual, anyway? Or a constitution.
Yep. I’d add, too, that even if “repudiation of the american power structure” was a part of it, it was hatefulness directed at it that motivated people. This was absolutely a hate-driven movement.
There’s a way to put Reich’s take to the test.
Isolate the rural counties. THEN break down the vote by race and income. If he and other folks trying to find some softness in these results are correct, then poor rural blacks and Latinos should’ve been at least shifted more towards Trump than their urban counterparts, yes?
“average income of Trump voters is higher than Clinton’s, not lower”
Is this true for Trump voters in the presidential election or just for the voters in primaries? Where can we find the
relevant data for the presidential election?
The cluck-clucking message always seems to be: It’s unseemly to call bigots bigots.
Don’t let’s forget that the American power structure, at least as enshrined in the Executive Branch over the last eight years, has been far *less* hateful than it was in the previous eight—or, indeed, in the history of the country. And so rebelling against that power structure is, perforce, an endorsement of some measure of hatefulness to return.
Totally agree .
I really need to get this off my chest-so apologies this is long.
I’m getting so tired of the political analysis about this. This happened because people felt left behind ,they were not being listened to or the Democrats were not reaching out to people enough. This is irrelevant and it was irrelevant weeks if not months before the election.
This was not a normal state of affairs,it was not even abnormal or unusual ,there is no word that can be used as a reference point to describe this election.
The republicans take some blame for this, not just for allowing Trump to get the nomination but for stirring the hate pot for the last 8 years because they couldn’t get over a black President.The media can also take a lot of blame for treating this like the usual Republican vs Democrat race. For example saying that the first few minutes of a debate went ok for Trump just because he wasn’t shouting and screaming even though he was clearly talking complete gibberish and hadn’t got a clue, but hey he didn’t actually punch Clinton so top marks for effort.
The most blame lies with the voters though, for everyone who didn’t vote for Clinton. I’m not talking about the basket of deplorable’s here,the people with the disgusting signs and badges who were shouting terrible things
at the rally’s, not because ‘well at least they were sincere Trump supporters’. There’s no point criticising them, there’s always been people like that and you can’t waste your time trying to reach out to those scum,you can’t shame the shameless.
But to those people who voted for him because ‘any change is good change’ , or ‘that’ll show the elites’ or start every sentence with ‘ I think what Trump said was disgusting but I think we need a change and although
Clinton has never bragged about sexual assault there are those emails’. Well shame on you. There is no excuse. Since day one of his campaign he has insulted minorities and women and encouraged violence on top of the failed business projects ,tax issues ,not paying people, admitting to sexual assault,being supported by the KKK and that’s just the tip of the iceberg, he’s said nothing over the past few months that could make anyone apart from racist deplorable’s think this is the guy to sort things out.The signs were clearly marked, no one can possibly say they didn’t know that this wasn’t a horrible and backward thinking Republican but nasty violent dangerous incompetent monster.
And to those who voted third party or not at all because they couldn’t face voting for Clinton well shame on
you as well. It became increasingly clear that this election was not about who should be President but who shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near it.
If Clinton had got in there could have been plenty of analysis and questions asked. Was someone as unpopular as Clinton only in because of the awful alternative? What can the Democrats do to get people to vote for them because they actually believe in there policies rather than just to avoid a catastrophe?People could have got out there and voted for more left leaning politicians and in time stood themselves. In the meantime they could have watched Clinton like a hawk and gone out on the streets and protested to hell. But alas that didn’t happen and although the above can still happen the US is starting from a much lower point from which to climb up.
The people who didn’t vote for Clinton may not be in the basket of deplorable’s but they’ve carried that basket right to the top of the world.So well done, you’ve thrown a hell of a lot of people under the bus just so you could stick it to the man.
Note- As far as i’m aware this rant doesn’t apply to anyone here ,i just had to get if off my chest to feel better, err actually that hasn’t happened i still feel crap.
Also don’t know what’s happened with the paragraph’s have previewed the comment and tried to correct but nothing is changing.
The mere fact that the KKK and fucking ISIS have welcomed his win is a pretty strong indicator that this is bollocks.
@11 Holms
Yep.