Did she think vaccines were harmful?
I’m glad I was never tempted by Jill Stein. The Washington Post reports (uncritically) her woo-based ideas:
Did she think vaccines were harmful?
“I think there’s no question that vaccines have been absolutely critical in ridding us of the scourge of many diseases — smallpox, polio, etc. So vaccines are an invaluable medication,” Stein said. “Like any medication, they also should be — what shall we say? — approved by a regulatory board that people can trust. And I think right now, that is the problem. That people do not trust a Food and Drug Administration, or even the CDC for that matter, where corporate influence and the pharmaceutical industry has a lot of influence.”
But a lot of people don’t “trust” the FDA because they’ve bought into a lot of bullshit claims about vaccines and Big Pharma.
Stein’s warning about corporate influence in the vaccine approval process is often voiced by “anti-vaxxers.” In reality, most members of the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee work at academic or medical institutions, not drug companies. But for Stein, the fact that people saw corporate and lobbying influence running rampant meant that some skepticism was warranted.
But for reasonable people, that of course does not follow. People can “see” all kinds of nonsense, especially when they get their “information” from woo-peddlers. The fact that some people “see” something doesn’t mean the rest of us should be influenced by what they “see.” Perception can be wrong.
“Monsanto lobbyists help run the day in those agencies and are in charge of approving what food isn’t safe,” said Stein, whose platform calls for a moratorium on genetically modified organisms (GMOs).
Ok that’s it. That’s a vote for famine. No we do not need a moratorium on GMOs.
Stein went on to explain that she’d studied the value of vaccines and come out with questions.
“As a medical doctor, there was a time where I looked very closely at those issues, and not all those issues were completely resolved,” Stein said. “There were concerns among physicians about what the vaccination schedule meant, the toxic substances like mercury which used to be rampant in vaccines. There were real questions that needed to be addressed. I think some of them at least have been addressed. I don’t know if all of them have been addressed.”
So, she seems to be saying, be worried about vaccines just in case, and tell other people to be worried about them just in case, and advise people not to get their kids vaccinated just in case.
Shockingly irresponsible.
I hate it so much when doctors talk like this. Grrrrr.
It has happened that medical doctors have been, shall we say, defrocked?
Andrew’s case should have been a Wake
fieldup call.Well, she’s an American politician…she’ll avoid saying anything that might offend her ‘base.’ No matter how gullible they are. Trump may provide more examples, but the ‘left’ is often just as bad.
I’m appalled a the amount of woo I’ve seen promulgated by MDs. I’ve often wondered if modern medical training is deficient in actually teaching science.
This is a beat-up by an organization that has already committed itself to being a mouthpiece for Hillary’s campaign.
Ignore.
What nonsense. If the “organization” you mean is the Washington Post, this article was a good deal too gentle toward the anti-vax bullshit.
Vaccination should be compulsory with absolutely no allowances for ‘conscientious’ or religious objections. The threshold for herd immunity is 95%, it will never be reached if we indulge the lunacies of the ‘woo’ peddlers.
It seems that Stein has indicated (albeit rather cagily) that she is not explicitly anti-vax:
http://www.snopes.com/is-green-party-candidate-jill-stein-anti-vaccine/
Dog whistling.
Donald Trump (himself) is not antisemitic. Hell, his own daughter is now technically Jewish. But don’t ask him to disavow David Duke and the “alt-right” that support him and flood the internet with fascist tweets and comments. Stein’s “big pharma” crap is simply dog whistling to the anti-vaxxers.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2016/07/29/jill_stein_continues_pandering_to_anti_vaxxers.html
@Helene #10:
Yes, the “dog-whistle” does seem a plausible explanation. Based on the Snopes piece, it does appear that Stein has taken pains to keep the doors open for some of the more “moderate” anti-vaxers. I can easily see the “too-many-too-soon” crowd claiming her for their side.
Helene #10:
I’m sure the business editor at a right-wing website would have careful and considered opinions on a Green Party candidate.
@12
Slate is a liberal site. Except maybe to people who consider Electronic Intifada “objective”.
Also. apparently Stein changed a tweet from “There’s no evidence that autism is caused by vaccines” to “I’m not aware of evidence linking autism with vaccines.”
Quoth Gizmodo: “Dr. Stein’s refusal to discredit anti-vaxxers makes her Harvard medical degree look like a certificate from the New York Chiropractic College.” (http://gizmodo.com/jill-stein-deletes-tweet-that-says-theres-no-evidence-1784624949)
I really *want* to like the Greens, but they consistently disappoint – from anti-science, woo apologetics to ridiculous gender proclamations (http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2016/out-in-the-bitter-cold/), not to mention some rather bizarre examples of cozying up to religious fanatics – eg the attendance at the US Prayer Breakfast by Elizabeth May, leader of Canada’s federal Greens.
Hmm, maybe it’s wifi that causes autism?
http://gizmodo.com/now-jill-stein-thinks-wi-fi-might-be-hurting-kids-1784664503
WiFi? Good grief. My autistic paternal grandfather, born almost at the beginning of the last century, died in 1973 – was affected by WiFi?
What kind of WiFi was in use a hundred years ago?
Seriously, these people are either getting more and more desperate, or they are testing to see just how stupid and gullible people can be.
I fully expect to see autism next being blamed on ‘Finding Dory’.
@tiggerthewing #15
Must have been leakage from telegraph wires.
Seriously, about 30 years ago, there were concerns raised about problems caused by “electrosensitivity” for people (also non-human animals) in proximity to electrical power transmission lines. But more recently, these same people have started talking about issues caused by “dirty electricity” (WiFi, and cellphones, not to mention the nasty waveforms produced by solar panels), in contrast to the nice 60hz (or 50Hz) sine waves from the Good Old Days.
Orac at ScienceBlogs has been covering anti-vaxxers for years, and he knows an anti-vax dogwhistle when he hears one:
http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/08/01/jill-stein-and-left-wing-antivaccine-dog-whistles/