vaccine trials were carried out on children in the early 1950s in goldenbridge industrial school and parhaps Artane the dept of health should carry out a survey on those children who were detained in goldenbridge at that time to find out the state of health those children >now adults)are now, and could those vaccine trials have caused ill health on their children or grandchildren apart from lack of the necessary nutrition for growing children ,+lack of adequate clothes for warmth +to keep out the terrible damp which will cause osteo -arthritis Why were some children taken to clinics in Dublin????????where are the medical records ,these questions must be answered.
(…sigh…) Whatever you say, Ophelia, it’s your site. Those were good excerpts too.
–Excellent site showing links between first appearance of HIV/AIDS in humans and oral polio vaccines made from chimpanzee kidneys: http://www.aidsorigins.com
–Google the documentary “The Origins of AIDS”
–Evidence that polio vaccines were not responsible for the decline in cases but instead increased polio cases where it was already declining:
Oh, dear. I realize you have genuine, sincere concerns. I don’t wish to offend you, but I think you’ve been seriously and severely mislead by the sources you read. Whale.to is – there’s scorned hotbed of misinformation, misdirection, and wholly implausible conspiracy mongering.
I implore you to read some more objective, scientific sources. I think you and every other citizen deserves the best information possible. Please, please consider that your sources may have mislead you, and that scientific research isn’t part of some vast conspiracy. No, I’m not paid by pharma, or by any industry related to health care.
As a lefty guy, a feminist, and a gay rights activist, and generally an anti-authoritarian, I would bet I’m sympatico with a lot of your concerns. But – I say gently – I think you’ve gone a little ways down the rabbit hole. Yes, Western medicine has a history of ignoring and delegitimizing women’s health issues. But no, concerned woman, that doesn’t make every outrageous claim from the new age contingent reasonable or helpful. Medicine is not all one vast conspiracy to suppress “the feminine.” Believing that only harms people who deserve the best evidence-based advice on health care.
About Einstein-Marity: I would like to confirm that the translation of A.Joffe (Russian physicist, member of Russian Academy) is correct. He did stated in his paper which is now on line (in Russian)
Maiia: Would you please clarify what you have written. You write that you would like to confirm that the translation of Abram Joffe (meaning the paragraph in his 1955 article “In Remembrance of Albert Einstein”) is correct, but you don’t indicate *which* translation you are alluding to. The website to which you link gives only the original Russian for the paragraph in question – which incidentally has already been online for some years here:
Joffe begins the relevant paragraph in his tribute to Einstein by hailing “Einstein’s entrance into the arena of science” as “unforgettable”, and follows this by referring to “three articles [that] appeared in the ‘Annalen der Physik’ [in 1905], which began three very important branches of twentieth century physics”, namely, “the theory of Brownian motion, the photon theory of light, and the theory of relativity”. The specific section of the paragraph to which Maiia is alluding can be read in Stachel’s article linked above, eleventh paragraph down, and needs to be seen to make sense of what I suspect will be a series of exchanges.
Maiia, As a preliminary to the discussion: as you know, in the section to which you are alluding Joffe writes that the author of the articles was at the time “an official at the Patent Office in Berne”, namely Albert Einstein. I’ll leave that there until you are able to make your point more clearly.
You write, that Joffe “was able to see” the manuscripts. This again is not entirely clear. Are you saying that Joffe *did* see the original manuscripts? If so, what evidence do you have that this was the case? Stachel provides good reasons for saying not only is there no evidence for this, it would have been highly unlikely for it to have occurred. (Again, see the above-linked Stachel article.)
I’m a bit confused – at this time of night probably due to a legal intoxicant – but why when I try to comment on Prohibition do I find letters on everything but? Did Albert Einstein have anything of moment to say about it?
Anyway… why is it always assumed that having, ages ago, subscribed to some International Treaty or other, makes it almost impossible to withdraw? Circumstances change – it was once generally agreed that blasphemy should be illegal. If any country had been foolish enough to sign up to that in the Middle Ages, surely they should be allowed to get over it and opt out.
Just for the record, Brian, in the context of his 1921 visit to America Einstein wrote that it is destructive of respect for government and for law to pass laws that cannot be enforced.
A follow-up to the moving and inspiring TV documentary “Death of Neda Soltan” to which Ophelia has linked under “Latest News:
Exiled Iranian film-maker Mohsen Makhmalbaf wins “Freedom to create” prize
“Mohsen Makhmalbaf is a fierce critic of the regime in charge in Tehran and he was in London today [25 November] to collect the ‘freedom to create prize’, which honours individuals or groups who promote social justice:
“My voice will continue [until] there is no longer any Republic of Islam in Iran.”
“This Green movement belongs to the strong, young generation of Iran.”
“If you have a different ideology [from that of the Islamic regime] they can put you in prison you, they can torture you… If you vote for someone [opposing the regime] they rape you in the name of God, can you imagine, they rape you in the name of God…”
vaccine trials were carried out on children in the early 1950s in goldenbridge industrial school and parhaps Artane the dept of health should carry out a survey on those children who were detained in goldenbridge at that time to find out the state of health those children >now adults)are now, and could those vaccine trials have caused ill health on their children or grandchildren apart from lack of the necessary nutrition for growing children ,+lack of adequate clothes for warmth +to keep out the terrible damp which will cause osteo -arthritis Why were some children taken to clinics in Dublin????????where are the medical records ,these questions must be answered.
‘concerned woman’
stop the data dumping. Offer links if you want to; don’t dump entire articles in here.
(…sigh…) Whatever you say, Ophelia, it’s your site. Those were good excerpts too.
–Excellent site showing links between first appearance of HIV/AIDS in humans and oral polio vaccines made from chimpanzee kidneys: http://www.aidsorigins.com
–Google the documentary “The Origins of AIDS”
–Evidence that polio vaccines were not responsible for the decline in cases but instead increased polio cases where it was already declining:
http://www.vaclib.org/basic/polio.htm
Go to whale.to/vaccines
Go to drcarley.com
Go to curezone.com/topic/vaccination
Go to theflucase.com
concerned woman wrote:
“Go to whale.to/vaccines”
Oh, dear. I realize you have genuine, sincere concerns. I don’t wish to offend you, but I think you’ve been seriously and severely mislead by the sources you read. Whale.to is – there’s scorned hotbed of misinformation, misdirection, and wholly implausible conspiracy mongering.
I implore you to read some more objective, scientific sources. I think you and every other citizen deserves the best information possible. Please, please consider that your sources may have mislead you, and that scientific research isn’t part of some vast conspiracy. No, I’m not paid by pharma, or by any industry related to health care.
As a lefty guy, a feminist, and a gay rights activist, and generally an anti-authoritarian, I would bet I’m sympatico with a lot of your concerns. But – I say gently – I think you’ve gone a little ways down the rabbit hole. Yes, Western medicine has a history of ignoring and delegitimizing women’s health issues. But no, concerned woman, that doesn’t make every outrageous claim from the new age contingent reasonable or helpful. Medicine is not all one vast conspiracy to suppress “the feminine.” Believing that only harms people who deserve the best evidence-based advice on health care.
About Einstein-Marity: I would like to confirm that the translation of A.Joffe (Russian physicist, member of Russian Academy) is correct. He did stated in his paper which is now on line (in Russian)
http://sceptic-ratio.narod.ru/po/ioffe.htm
that the author (and only one, mind you) of famous three Einstein articles was Einstein-Marity. And yes, he was able to see the manuscripts.
Note: For those interested, the full background to this discussion is provided by John Stachel (1905) here: http://www.esterson.org/Stachel_Joffe.htm
Maiia: Would you please clarify what you have written. You write that you would like to confirm that the translation of Abram Joffe (meaning the paragraph in his 1955 article “In Remembrance of Albert Einstein”) is correct, but you don’t indicate *which* translation you are alluding to. The website to which you link gives only the original Russian for the paragraph in question – which incidentally has already been online for some years here:
http://www.serbien-montenegro.de/html/serbien_-_einstein-maric.html
Joffe begins the relevant paragraph in his tribute to Einstein by hailing “Einstein’s entrance into the arena of science” as “unforgettable”, and follows this by referring to “three articles [that] appeared in the ‘Annalen der Physik’ [in 1905], which began three very important branches of twentieth century physics”, namely, “the theory of Brownian motion, the photon theory of light, and the theory of relativity”. The specific section of the paragraph to which Maiia is alluding can be read in Stachel’s article linked above, eleventh paragraph down, and needs to be seen to make sense of what I suspect will be a series of exchanges.
Maiia, As a preliminary to the discussion: as you know, in the section to which you are alluding Joffe writes that the author of the articles was at the time “an official at the Patent Office in Berne”, namely Albert Einstein. I’ll leave that there until you are able to make your point more clearly.
You write, that Joffe “was able to see” the manuscripts. This again is not entirely clear. Are you saying that Joffe *did* see the original manuscripts? If so, what evidence do you have that this was the case? Stachel provides good reasons for saying not only is there no evidence for this, it would have been highly unlikely for it to have occurred. (Again, see the above-linked Stachel article.)
I’m a bit confused – at this time of night probably due to a legal intoxicant – but why when I try to comment on Prohibition do I find letters on everything but? Did Albert Einstein have anything of moment to say about it?
Anyway… why is it always assumed that having, ages ago, subscribed to some International Treaty or other, makes it almost impossible to withdraw? Circumstances change – it was once generally agreed that blasphemy should be illegal. If any country had been foolish enough to sign up to that in the Middle Ages, surely they should be allowed to get over it and opt out.
Same for Prohibition.
Oops, have I just destroyed my own case?
Just for the record, Brian, in the context of his 1921 visit to America Einstein wrote that it is destructive of respect for government and for law to pass laws that cannot be enforced.
A follow-up to the moving and inspiring TV documentary “Death of Neda Soltan” to which Ophelia has linked under “Latest News:
Exiled Iranian film-maker Mohsen Makhmalbaf wins “Freedom to create” prize
“Mohsen Makhmalbaf is a fierce critic of the regime in charge in Tehran and he was in London today [25 November] to collect the ‘freedom to create prize’, which honours individuals or groups who promote social justice:
“My voice will continue [until] there is no longer any Republic of Islam in Iran.”
“This Green movement belongs to the strong, young generation of Iran.”
“If you have a different ideology [from that of the Islamic regime] they can put you in prison you, they can torture you… If you vote for someone [opposing the regime] they rape you in the name of God, can you imagine, they rape you in the name of God…”
http://tinyurl.com/yk6fqdb