While he was away
Let me get this straight – a guy has some video evidence that his wife and her sister were in the company of some men when he wasn’t there, and so they’re going to be executed? That’s the deal? Yes, that’s the deal.
Two Iranian sisters convicted of adultery face being stoned to death after the supreme court upheld the death sentences against them, the Etemad newspaper reported. The two sisters were found guilty of adultery – a capital crime in Islamic Iran – after the husband of one of the pair presented video evidence showing them in the company of other men while he was away.
It’s not even video evidence that they were having sex with the men – which, to be perfectly honest, shouldn’t be a capital crime in any case – it’s just evidence that they were in the company of other men. And that’s a capital crime. Well why am I surprised; the penalty for allowing one’s hijab to slip half an inch back from one’s forehead is 80 lashes. Don’t skip over that, now – consider it. For allowing a tiny strip of hair to show at the edge of a hijab a woman is handcuffed facedown to a wooden bed and whipped with a cane 80 times. Pretty, isn’t it.
Allah clearly moves in mysterious ways…
Question is, what is it these men (and yes, it’s always us, until we can con you ladies into doing the repression for us, anyway) are actually frightened of?
Because they must, surely, be absolutely TERRIFIED of something, for the punishments for minor infractions to be so draconian…
I dunno, sometimes the supernaturalist mind-set defies any understanding.
I don’t think it’s fear, I think it’s loathing. That still leaves the ‘why,’ but I think that’s what it is.
Presumably the real reason is knowable and in light of your extensive knowledge of human nature, how about you have a shot at elucidating how it really works?
The ‘supernaturalist mind-set’ is no obstacle, IMHO.
==>That still leaves the ‘why,’ but I think that’s what it is.
The ‘why’ is quite simple to understand : it is because they (the men, the state, mullacracy) can get away with it. They get away with it because enough people – men and of course, women – allow them to do so, having swallowed wholesale the pigswill that is sharia. A muslim who doesn’t denounce sharia – all of it, it is all filthy, soul destroying and hateful – is a person whom I cannot respect or trust. Every aspect of sharia I have come across has injustice, oppression and a loathsome bullying attitude built into it.
There is the gruesome end – hanging gays from cranes and whipping women for showing hair or stoning them for adultery – and then there is the ‘moderate’ bit that countries like Malaysia practise : religious rehabilitation camps for apostates, breaking up of families, snatching kids from their non-muslim parents, dubious conversions and corpse snatching by the muslim state authorities and now, the latest, stealing from widows. None of these cases are civil disputes between individuals but government muslim agencies simply carrying out what sharia prescibes.
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/267138.html
Gan Eng Gor’s family website :
http://hsiauchuen.wordpress.com/
There has been a daily drip of incidents in Malaysia and i live right next to the bloody country and have numerous friends – all non-muslims- there. I tried very hard to maintain a sense of equanimity over the last few years but i have really lost it with the sharia fetishists. I consider them the most direct threat to my way of life here in SE Asia.
My impression is that we males are generally afraid of women’s sexuality, but in contemporary, supposedly non-sexist, circles, we don’t speak much of that fear and certainly never act on it. Jealousy is not accepted among the people I know, and that’s good. However, when that male fear is allowed free reign, as it is in certain traditional cultures, the result is the domination of women. At least where I live, the tabloids carry news several times a week of jealous husbands or boy-friends who murder their partners, often in horrible ways, such as burning them.
I’ve just read an account of the Kabul zoo under the Taliban and the extraordinary cruelty displayed by the followers of Allah. There seems to be no bottom to the depravity these bastards sink to. Since they regard women as little more than beasts of burden, is it little wonder that this sort of nonsense goes on. If the left chooses to turn a blind eye to this then shame on them.
Yes, I saw that. Their barbarity seems to know no bounds.
“I was a teacher and loved my job but my husband did not let me work.”
I do not know how this spouse of Zohreh, can live with his conscience if his wife & her sister Azar are illegally stoned to death. I read that in late 2002 the judiciary head Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi issued a writ suspending such executions. So why is this stoning going to take place. It has not by any court (from what I read) been proven that these sisters committed any crime.
It is a sheer case of a jealous husband.
Nothing else!
A group of men are half hanging over a wall in a photograph in the the link article. I wonder why?
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080204125017
Scary stuff, mirax. I need to keep better track of news from Malaysia.
“Do you know that if you are a Muslim, you cannot bequeath your properties to your non-Muslims heirs? (food for thought?”
I think therein could lie heart of the problem of Gan Eng Gor – who was (by his son) buried as a Muslim.
The poor family – who apparently looked after him throughout his illness have by the son been robbed of any rights to bury him the way that they thought fit.
The documents too claiming Gan Eng Gor was a Muslim leave very much to be desired.
Body snatching, I thought that kind of thing only ever happened in scary films.
It seemingly is ‘well and alive’ in Malaysia!
“Perwiz Kambakhsh, an Afghan reporter and journalism student, accused of blasphemy. He had downloaded from the Internet and distributed articles that were said to question some of the tenets of Islam, including those related to the role of women.” B&W News
All of us @ B&W are rooting for you!
Never mind, I’m sure The Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams could bring some light…
Sharia law in UK is ‘unavoidable’.
The Archbishop of Canterbury says the adoption of certain aspects of Sharia law in the UK “seems unavoidable”.
Dr Rowan Williams told Radio 4’s World at One that the UK has to “face up to the fact” that some of its citizens do not relate to the British legal system.
Dr Williams argues that adopting parts of Islamic Sharia law would help maintain social cohesion.
For example, Muslims could choose to have marital disputes or financial matters dealt with in a Sharia court.
He says Muslims should not have to choose between “the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty”.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7232661.stm
‘For example, Muslims could choose to have marital disputes or financial matters dealt with in a Sharia court.’
Already can,in effect, just as I could set up a Jedi court to settle marital or financial matters if anybody chose to accept my authority. Can’t stop people from accepting the pronouncement of an imam, priest or rabbi on domestic matters, if that is what they want.
(How to reliably establish that both sides genuinely want it is problematical)
But these have no legal basis, although I am unclear on the exact status of Beth Din in the UK, and the law of the land has primacy.
I have discussed this issue with several moslems and most are opposed (but then it was inevitably a non-representative sample). There is little or nothing which a moslem might want to do to adhere to religious laws and customs which is not currently possible under English law. Interest free loans, marriage, diet, whatever.
The only real problem I have heard of is divorce or widowhood in the case of unregistered multiple marriages.
To some of us, the hope is that this acceptance of the authority of the cleric will dwindle and fade.
For some reason The Most Reverend Father in God, Rowan Douglas, by Divine Providence Lord Archbishop of Canterbury, Primate of All England and Metropolitan would prefer to see it entrenched in law.
This site has an interesting perspective on domestic sharia courts;
http://innerreflectionstranscribed.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/divorce-discrepancies/
Nice link, Don