It was a very invective sort of tone
I hope you’re not bored with Priya Venkatesan yet, because I’m not. She’s the mother lode, so to speak.
Tyler Brace asked her if it was true that she called the students fascist demagogues, and she said no never, not true.
I went into class after that whole clapping incident, and I said. ‘What you did was horrific. What you did was really bad.’ Not bad, I didn’t accuse them of being bad, I said what you did was unacceptable. They started arguing with me. I said fine. You think you know everything. You think you know everything without the knowledge base to boot, without the training, you think you have a command of all the knowledge in the world at this stage in your life, then I’m sorry, that is fascism and that is demagoguery. When I made the two words fascism and demagoguery I looked at the picture on the wall. I made sure that I did not look at the students, and that I did not make any personal attacks on them.
Isn’t that cool? She didn’t call them fascist demagogues, all she did is say when you do what I’m saying you did, that is fascism and that is demagoguery – and she was very careful to look at the wall when she said it, so they would know it was nothing personal. There’s semiotics for you! Or something.
The fact of the matter is that by being so arrogant about their command of knowledge about arguing with me about every point that I was making and that’s really arrogant. That’s very arrogant because frankly, and I’m not trying to be an academic elitist, but frankly, they don’t even have a B.A. They’re freshmen. They’re freshmen.
Yeah. And they just don’t have the rich knowledge that she has, which shines through in everything she says and writes. You have only to read the full interview (endless as it is) to see that. She’s erudition itself. She knows a really really lot and they don’t.
[T]he fact of the matter is that I have the PhD in literature, I make the assessment if someone has talent for philosophy, literary theory, and literary criticism. A student might say, well, the hell with you I’m still going to become a literary critic, I had to do that, there were people who criticized me while I was a student, you’re not a good writer or whatever, but I said well I’m still going to go ahead with my goals, but I never made any personal attacks on them…
Ya…but you should have listened to them though. They were right. You’re not a good writer. And I wouldn’t trust your opinion on who has a talent for philosophy, either. Literary ‘theory’ you can decide if you want to, but philosophy? I don’t think so.
I made the argument that in many cases science and technology did not benefit women, and if women were benefiting science and technology, it was an aftereffect. It was not the goal of science and technology. It was a very feminist claim, and you may not agree with it. But that was Merchant’s argument…But there was one student who really took issue with this…science and technology, women really did benefit from it, and to criticize patriarchal authority on the basis that science and technology benefited patriarchy or men, was not sufficient grounds for this type of feminist claim. And he did this with great rhetorical flourish; it was very invective, it was a very invective sort of tone.
Aw, that’s a shame. I suppose he was another one who has no talent for philosophy.
I’m feeling just a bit sorry for this professor, because I was absolutely godawful the first couple of years I was out “on my own” in the classroom. Among other things, it sounds like she hasn’t yet really learned how to tailor a reading list to a particular group of students (this topic for a remedial class?! huh? what?). But. Some of her ideas about how colleagues treat other colleagues, for example, are…odd. Your average program director will ignore “this instructor grades too hard”; your average program director will not ignore “this instructor called us fascists” or “this instructor is totally incoherent” or whatnot. (Heck, when I was an undergrad at UCI, a group of students upset about an entirely incomprehensible soc sci professor managed to persuade the relevant dean to sit in on one of his lectures. Afterwards, the dean, puffing on his cigar, declared that he couldn’t understand the guy either…)
I’m not going to touch that TT thing. No way. Nuh-uh.
I’m starting to warm to her too, but only because she’s so unintentionally hilarious.
The interviewer doesn’t even have to try to make her say foolish things.
Well, I feel a little sorry for her too, but…only a little.
A classic case of incompetence reaching out for blame. What is really, truly, tragic in all this is that she has gone on to a job at Northwestern, another very good school. OTOH, if this keeps raking up publicity, maybe she’ll be ‘redeployed to a field more consonant with her talents’…
Paraphrasing “I’m not going to be unprofessional and mention the rumors that were flying around about Tom Cormen.”
Fantastic. Well done Priya.
Yeah, degree of fascination and feeling sorry for her; miles out of her depth and foolishly is now being humiliated on the internet.
Yeah but the good news about the job at Northwestern is that she’s a research assistant there – mercifully, she’s not teaching.
I am proud of the STUDENTS that spoke up, spoke out, and brought change up the agenda.
Red Guards, Dartmouth!
What a bizarre episode. Maybe she needs to learn to respect her students and they, her.
Looking at this from a distance, the sad thing is that the university administration did not help/manage/remove/discipline someone who was pretty obviously not competent to teach a course like this.
In just about any other profession, including school teaching, things would not have got to this very strange stage.
This happens because universities take a position on academic freedom which prevents them even helping someone way out of her depth. As a result, her academic career is probably dead.
Perhaps not a great loss to teaching, but with some help and mentoring she might have developed into a good teacher.
In many jobs, inexperienced and uncontrolled neophytes say and do stupid things.