Who offended whom?
The BBC keeps doing things like this.
Iran has criticised the British government for its decision to give a knighthood to author Salman Rushdie. His book The Satanic Verses offended Muslims worldwide and led to Iran issuing a fatwa in 1989, ordering Sir Salman’s execution.
It’s terribly misleading to say that Rushdie’s novel ‘offended Muslims worldwide’ without qualification. There’s an enormous amount wrong with that offhand statement. One, many and probably most people who were ‘offended’ by Rushdie’s novel never read it, so the simple and active phrasing there – his book offended Muslims – is just inaccurate. An accurate version would be something more like ‘some Muslims were offended by what they heard or were told about Rushdie’s novel and by the fact that he had written it.’ Yes but they don’t have the space to say that in the second sentence. Okay, but if they don’t have the space, they shouldn’t say anything – they shouldn’t say something grossly and tendentiously misleading instead, especially not about someone who is under a standing death threat for doing the very thing they described so ineptly and inaccurately. What they do by phrasing it that way is half-endorse the attitude of the people who issued the fatwa, and they really ought not to do that on the basis of bad sloppy inaccurate phrasing.
How I wish I were their editor. How I wish I could sub their pieces; I would take stuff like that out.
Two, they also shouldn’t say the book offended Muslims in that straightforward way: the offense, like the offense over the Danish cartoons, was not spontaneous or instantaneous, it was worked up; it was decidedly not a matter of Muslims in general taking one look and swelling with outrage. Third, they really shouldn’t say the book ‘led to Iran issuing a fatwa’ as if Rushdie had brought the fatwa on himself and as if Khomeini had no choice in the matter. (Have I quarreled with them for this before? I think so.) And they shouldn’t say ‘execution’ as if Iran had some judicial right to ‘order’ it! The word is murder, not execution.
Frances Harrison did something similar in a World Service report on the same subject – she referred to ‘the Danish cartoons that insulted the prophet’ – as if that were the commonplace and straightforward description of the cartoons. Well it’s not! The cartoons were of the prophet, but they were far from all insulting, in fact none of them were really except possibly the bomb in the turban one, which can also be read as about the hijacking of the prophet by bomb-lovers. Yet there is Harrison reinforcing the outrage by being inaccurate.
They keep, keep, keep doing this. Why? Just sucking up? Just not wanting to piss off Tariq Ramadan any further? Not wanting to seem ‘Islamophobic’? Who knows.
There’s this familiar little bit of icing at the end, too – ‘in 1989, Ayatollah Khomeini, Iran’s spiritual leader, issued a fatwa.’ ‘Spiritual leader’ – you mean theocratic dictator. I wish they would stop with that spiritual leader crap. I’m tired of hearing about the ‘spiritual leader’ of Hamas and the ‘spiritual leader’ of Hizbollah and the ‘spiritual leader’ of the Muslim Brotherhood. I’m sick of all this wretched slavish prettying-up. It’s not pretty. Homicidal rage at novels and novelists is not pretty, fatwas ordering murder are not pretty, theocratic thugs are not pretty.
Yerrssss, good old Aunty Beeb’s desperate need to appear even-handed does put her through some pretty unpalatable hoops sometimes, don’t it just?
Interestingly, this doesn’t appear to apply when they’re doing “puff pieces” for the latest unproven quackery, without providing skeptical inquiry, or even requiring some sort of peer-reviewed research to back up the claims being made – Breakfast show is particularly guilty of this…
But then, we all know science doesn’t matter when tellies run by arts grads, eh?
;-))
Once you are aware of the BBC doing this little sleight of hand, you can catch them doing this pretty often.
Last week, the rather nasty Austrlian cleric, Sheikh Hilali finally quit his post due primarily to a decision made by the islamic body that hired him, though there was speculation that their hand had been strenghtened by govt disapproval of the sheikh. That is the story I got from reading at least two oz papers online.
But the dear old Beeb led with a sensational “Anger as Australian sheikh quits’ headline and the very first sentence went on to describe the anger of the supporters of the sheikh and focussed primarily on the govt conspiracy to oust him. Of course not a single angry supporter was named nor were any actions/protests that would have made this a legitimate news story. Because , apart from Keyser Trad being put out, there weren’t any muslims on the streets.
This slant by the BBC convinced me that there are instances where the BBC is dishonest more than it is misguided.
O.B. the beeb is a lost cause as far as news goes,I phoned them a while back to complain about their mid east coverage which in my opinion is blatantly anti semetic.
The BBc link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6739811.stm
And an australian article, for comparison :
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/controversial-sheik-steps-down/2007/06/10/1181414120329.html
Screw Iran, it has offended me by its childish reaction to a novel. The proper response from the Beeb, and indeed the UK government, is that Iran is in no position to talk about offence as it has failed to retract its demand for Sir Salman’s murder.
As soon as I heard on Saturday that Rushdie had been knighted, I went to my local Waterstone’s and bought the Satanic Verses (one of the few books of his that I haven’t read) as an act of solidarity. When I heard about the latest drivelling from Iran, I wanted to go out and buy a second copy.
I caught something similar on BBC News last night on TV and the attempt to suck up to the offended without it seeming obvious was obvious enough to piss me off. Glad to see I’m not alone.
The BBC’s Frances Harrison calls a spade a spade in the case of another fatwa:
>One of Iran’s most senior clergymen has issued a fatwa on an Azeri writer said to have insulted the Prophet Muhammad. The call on Muslims to murder Rafiq Tagi, who writes for Azerbaijan’s Senet newspaper, echoes the Iranian fatwa against Indian writer Salman Rushdie.< November 2006
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6158195.stm
Could it be that in the case of Rushdie the BBC doesn’t want to “offend” those British Muslims who were “outraged” by the publication of *The Satanic Verses* and support the fatwa?
Incidentally, in February 2005 Frances Harrison reported from Tehran that “religious authorities in Iran say the only person who can lift the sentence [on Rushdie] was the man who imposed it, Ayatollah Khomeini” – who died in 1989.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4260599.stm
I know it’s unfashionable to say anything good about the present government, but can we congratulate them on having the bottle finally to stand up to the fundamentalists and honour a distinguished writer – and in the process make an implicit statement about freedom of speech and enlightenment values.
Congrats Sir Salman.
I’ll second that, Harry. Salman Rushdie richly deserves the honour and if, in addition, this gets up the nose of the usual suspects from Iran, Pakistan and the comment pages of the Guardian, it’s doubly splendid!
Well, miirax, you must be psychic – look here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6763119.stm
I love the professional looking banners – maybe there’s a website (derrangedmorons.com)where you can order them.
Not psychic at all Rockingham. Have already read initial reports of Pakistanis going ballistic, with their parliament passing a motion condemning the honour so bestowed on Rushdie. You know all the usual hoopla – street demos, effigy burning – is just getting started. This ‘insult to the muslim world’ narrative will play for a while yet.
Priyamvada Gopal’s splenetic blog on CiF is another indication that people of certain leftish political bent will also be fanning the flames.
What should leave a sour taste in Rushdie’s mouth – as it does in mine- is the fact that the reactionary Iqbal Sacranie – who came into prominence with the rushdie affair in 89- was knighted in 2005.
It leaves a sour taste in Rushdie’s mouth all right – he’s pointed out Sacranie’s route to prominence (pointed it out on ‘Today’ for one – it’s not as if the BBC hasn’t been told!) several times in the past few years. But, still, you know – his book caused that fatwa, so…
Thanks for mentioning Gopal’s piece, mirax, I went looking for it. Now for the BBC piece on the Australian ‘spiritual leader’…
“Could it be that in the case of Rushdie the BBC doesn’t want to “offend” those British Muslims who were “outraged” by the publication of *The Satanic Verses* and support the fatwa?”
It could. But so then the BBC is placid about ‘offending’ everyone who does not think ‘apostates’ should be killed? How extremely odd. Not that I don’t believe it; but how odd.
Ophelia – the BBC doesn’t want its’ offices bombed (again)
Just two quick comments: The first point raised about most offended Muslim people never having read the book of Salman, so have many people never read “mein kampf” from Hitler. Yet when asked, a lot of people will say the content of the book is offensive. There is no need for every Muslim to read the book, to make the statement “his book offended Muslims”.
Second, one important spiritual leader is not mentioned in the last paragraph: the pope! He is a bigger theocratic dictator then Khomeini, leaders of Hamas,Hizbolla and Muslim Brotherhood combined.
“the pope! He is a bigger theocratic dictator than Khomeini, leaders of Hamas, Hizbolla and Muslim Brotherhood combined”.
That is enough to put the hairs standing up on top of the head.
I wonder are you driving on the same side of the road as the B&W team? Because if you are – you are surely an RC road rager. My advice to you is: Whilst driving, as well as trying to keep your droopy eyes on the road ahead – keep saying the fifteen decades of the rosary. Ooops, do not forget to intermittently take your hand off the wheel to bless your self.
In ainm an Athar agus an Mac agus an Spioraid Naomh Amen. Tar a Spioraid Naoimh, lion croithe … V. Gloir don Athair agus don Mhac agus don Spioraid Naomh, …
“The first point raised about most offended Muslim people never having read the book of Salman, so have many people never read “mein kampf” from Hitler. Yet when asked, a lot of people will say the content of the book is offensive.”
Bad analogy, on several counts. One, Rushdie is not Hitler; Rushdie has not caused millions of people to be slaughtered. Two, I don’t know that a lot of people would bother to say the content of Mein Kampf is ‘offensive’ now, and neither do you. Three, no one is demanding that anyone be murdered over Mein Kampf. Four, Rushdie’s novel is a novel, while Hitler’s Mein Kampf included a political program and plans for action. Five, there is a big difference between ‘offensive’ and ‘dangerous’.
“There is no need for every Muslim to read the book, to make the statement “his book offended Muslims”.”
I didn’t say there was any need for every Muslim to read the book, I said that it’s misleading to say that Rushdie’s novel ‘offended Muslims worldwide’ without qualification. I stick to that: I think most of those men (they were and are pretty much all men) screaming themselves hoarse and shaking their fists have never read the book and look like (and are) damn fools getting so excited about it without having read it.
Tell me – do you really think The Satanic Verses is the same kind of thing as Mein Kampf?
It might be the old hippy philosophy coming out in me, but I can only be offended if I choose. Conversely, if you are offended by something I say, that is your choice; my responsibility is to put my case clearly, and I would hope, reasonably politely.
It is true, isn’t it? Some people are only happy when they are miserable!
Some years ago I asked a Muslim friend about “Satanic verses”. He shrugged, “Doesn’t worry me” was his reply, and carried on eating.
I take your point about your muslim friend who chose not to be bothered, David. I returned from the UK in 89 with 4 hardcopies of the Satanic Verses which was a somewhat surreal as they were all presents from friends who thought it was right up my alley and it was bit much to lug that much contraband through customs (book is banned in my country). All my copies were eventually loaned out to muslim friends who being the sort who actually read books, offered a range of reactions – bemusement, unease, irritation, glee – but never offence at the book.
David Stiles is absolutely right. We have a choice to be offended by things or not. They need to get a life.
O.B I agree completely How can anyone seriouly make the analogy between Mein Kamph and Rushdies novel for heavans sake?55 million people died as a result of Hitler,Mein Kamph was the blue print of Hitlers aims,of course you dont need to read it to know it is ofensive!the only people that died from Rushdies novel were the ones murdered by moslem fanatics!and the pope is worse than ayotola Khomeini,Hamas ect is probably the most asenine statement ever made.This is the kind of lunacy that would put us all on a prayer rug braying to mecca 6 times a day.
“I’m sick of all this wretched slavish prettying-up. It’s not pretty. Homicidal rage at novels and novelists is not pretty, fatwas ordering murder are not pretty, theocratic thugs are not pretty.”
Yes, and who’d ever have thought that letting huge numbers of Muslims into the UK would cause problems? I, like countless others, thought they’d turn into Enlightened Liberals like me as soon as they stepped off the plane. Sadly, against all historical precedent, that doesn’t seem to have happened.
As I did!
‘Enlightened Liberals like me ‘
Are you still here?
Richard, at least recognise a blackshirt troll when you see one.
Richard’s obtuseness is what makes him so much fun. As we say in Ukraine, he’s a hoot!
Good lord now there are two black shirt trolls at this site,hoot hoot!
Richard, I don’t think you’re a blackshirt. I just want you to repudiate l3xl00thr, who seems to be one.
If he is then yes of course I would Pyotr,that was kind of how I used to regard imigrants, that they would arive and soon become good citizens as most have.I still have that view but I would be more carefull because of events like 9/11 and 7/7.
I’m not a troll or a blackshirt: translate ‘ubermensch’ into English for a movie in which a ‘l3xl00thr’ appeared. If anyone can refute the points I made (i.e. mass immigration by unenlightened Muslims into post-Christian secular state not good idea, easy to predict bad consequences of except for half-witted liberals), please do so.
Ubermensch = nihilism
Dictionary sourced.
“Nietzsche’s concept for “an over man” who overcomes the herd perspective and is capable of creating a new perspective without dogmatically forcing his perspective on others.
In Thus Spake Zarathustra, Zaruthustra attempts to become an Ubermensch.
Examples are not helpful. German foot soldiers in WWI carried copies of “Thus Spake Zarathustra.” The twentieth century bears witness to the idiocy of Nietzsche interpreters.
Step 1: Discard society’s views on morality
Step 2: (This is a big one) Overcome the ensuing nihilism and create your own views on morality. Otherwise you will become Goth.
Step 3: Don’t impose your views on morality on others. Instead encourage them to create their own.
Noch Einmal Zarathustra!
2001 A Space Odyssey. A film where everything exciting happens in the human mind. “Also sprach Zarathustra” (“Thus Spoke Zarathustra”) is the films’ euphoric main theme.
Ich liebe Strauss