Thy hand, great Anarch, lets the curtain fall
Best of luck, Haluk Ertan.
“Turkey is now the headquarters of creationism in the Islamic World. This is no longer only Turkey’s problem, it is now the problem of the whole civilized world,” says Haluk Ertan, a professor of molecular biology at Istanbul University. He’s one of a handful of Turkish scientists who have been working to counter creationism’s spread in the country.
But if you package pseudoscience nicely enough, it will win.
In the past year, BAV has blanketed several European countries and the US with its glossy “Atlas of Creation,” a lavish 768-page tome weighing more than 13 pounds, sending it to scientists, professors, journalists, and schoolteachers…”Every Islamic bookshop I know of stocks Harun Yahya’s material. It is so glossily produced. It is very attractive and very colorful and outclasses everything else,” says Inayat Bunglawala…”It is having an effect. Even among Muslim medical students there are a number now who are speaking out against Darwin.”
Oh well, doctors don’t need to understand biology.
The series includes titles such as “The Dark Spell of Darwinism” and “Why Darwinism is Incompatible with the Koran.” Oktar’s brand of creationism is not only religious, but also political and even messianic, seeing most of the world’s ills – terrorism and fascism among them – as stemming from Darwin’s theory of evolution…”Folks, there is no such thing as what you call evolution. If there was, it would be in the Holy Bible or the Koran,” added Oktar…”Scientifically speaking, the whole Harun Yahya corpus is a bunch of nonsense, but it is unfortunately very popular,” says Taner Edis, a Turkish physicist who teaches at Truman State University in Missouri. Professor Edis says the success of the Harun Yahya books, at least in the Islamic world, can be attributed to a need for harmonizing modern life with traditional Islamic beliefs.
Sure. The success of a lot of bullshit and nonsense can be attributed to a need for harmonizing fundamentally incompatible things. That’s why people go in for bullshit and nonsense: because they want to harmonize things they want to believe with some obtrusive bit of reality. The reality won’t give way to prayers or persuasion or gentle little dances and passes in the air, so the only thing left to do is harmonize. Then once people get their teeth into harmonizing, they want to pass the harmonization on to schools and universities and the mass media, and pretty soon the entire population has learned that there’s no such thing as evolution because it’s not in the Koran. Maybe if we all work really hard, in a few generations the whole population of the earth will be as ignorant as it was ten thousand years ago. Yee-ha.
“there is no such thing as what you call evolution. If there was, it would be in the Holy Bible or the Koran”
So there is no such things as quantum theory either? Laws of thermodynamics, anyone? Nope!
Personal Computers? Steam engines? Chinese people? Giraffes?
No, if it’s not in the Holy book(s), it doesn’t exist!
And people keep telling us the world would be a much poorer place without religion…
I don’t see it as harmonizing the modern world with traditional religion. It looks to me like straight rejection of the modern world.
At least the theoretical aspects of the modern world. Practical stuff, like computers, is OK, of course. We’re not talking about Muslim Amish, after all.
I’ve seen that ‘atlas of creation’, it’s amazing – holograms on the cover, loaded with really high-quality graphics and photo reproduction. Every word in it is bollox, of course, but it must have cost a *fortune*. Imagine what that money could have done if it were used for real education…
Re Pterodactyls, there is another one of its kind persistently lurking/stalking about B&W waiting to unleash on blameless victims its preposterous and irrational twaddle. I hope the stronger T-rex is somewhere to be had and that out of that -somewhere – will advantageously pounce on it and compress and flatten its very viscera.
How do you get on the mailing list for that Atlas? It’s not often you can justify dismembering a book to frame the illustrations. (I think PZ has one.)
Dunno, mine just turned up on the ataffroom coffee-table one day….
Spooky, huh?
The right to all medical assistance should be removed from these bastards.
That’s rather harsh, Nick. They’re still entitled to cupping, bleeding and purging.
Don’t get all new agey on me mate !
And leeches – they’re still entitled to leeches.
I WANT ONE! I want a HUNDRED! A THOUSAND!
Every copy you request and misuse for laughs is $50 or so of the sponsors money wasted.
Ask you local libraries to request copies, or even create bogus school letterheads and ask for them for your school library.
Its only a book! my guess is that people are smart enough to reject crap even nicely packaged crap.
Yes I know Mein kamp was just a book but it is not the same.
‘Mein kamp’, or to give it its full title, ‘my 20-year struggle to cultivate slightly inappropriate bodily contact and an exaggeratedly flaboyant set of mannerisms’
Ah, the world would have been so much better off….
Ooh, how very dare you….
Dave, you aren’t taking this at all seriously are you ?
;-)
“holograms on the cover” Do they have holograms in the Bible/Koran/Talmud/Bagavad Gita/Dianetics/Principia Discordia? I think not. And I’m fairly certain that mention of the printing press was a bit lacking in the first four.
Clearly this “book” is the product of EVIL SORCERY and its creators must be brought to justice before God.
(I appreciate that halftone is not the same kind of thing as the theory of evolution, but the maths used to make the modern glossy publication lead very quickly to atheistic mathematical concepts. And holograms are the product of lasers which are the product of quantum theory. So there.)
From Avicenna to Harun Yahya in only a thousand years.
Yes of course ‘people are smart enough to reject crap’ – all people, people in general, people without further qualification or stipulation. That’s why no people ever believe crap; that’s why all people reject crap; because they’re all smart enough; what a good arrangement. That’s why no one buys into alternative medicine or psychic energy or, indeed, creationism. QED. Well argued, Richard.
Mine Kamp – that’s the one about colliers who call each other Doris and Betty, right?
“like all of the group’s books, is written under the name of Harun Yahya. Amazon”
I searched google and found from same source this review
“Never plead ignorance, about the obvious existence of Allah, that evolution is a deceit and Allah creates everything, about the miraculous features of living beings surrounding you, the everything you possess is a favour from Allah, of the fact that you wont stay long in this world, of the fact that death is inevitable, of the fact that the Qur’an is the just book and that you will be judged according to it, about the voice of your conscience, of that fact that Allah commands man to conduct himself correctly, of the fact that disbelief, is the source of all wickedness, about the existence of the hereafter and the day of judgement, of the fact that the hell is a place of torment for all eternity, that matter is only an image, that time is a variable perception and that everything is predestined.”
Where did I hear most of the above crap from before? I cannot keep up with all these Allah’s and Gods all mouth piecing each other.
Richard Dawkin’s articles about psychics etc in B&W news section made for terrific reading. He has an awful lot to say about people and their beliefs in the supernatural and alternative medicine, angels, Crikey, he unquestionably does not beat about the bush.
It is here raining cats & dogs as well as thundering and lightning. God must be with us very angry?
Whine Kamp, where the ThinSkin tendency go to discuss strategy.
Space Kamp, where Dumb Fucking Goofey wannabe rocket scientists discuss their rubbish-bin theories.
bless.
them.
They should not forget to bring with them, Hitler’s invaluable ‘Mein Kampf’ to incite their Dopey Fascistical Goofy minds.
That would for them be very shrilling!?
Bless the little faith-troll.
Yep, that wouldn’t be a bad idea. Would blessing him with pissing holy water from heaven nicely do the trick? Or what?
[heave – sigh]
Struggle?
Faith Troll is funny.
Hope Troll is money?