That frame looks crappy on you
I hate this ‘framing’ crap – and I’m not the only one, which is good to know. Matthew Nisbet seems to be doing a good job of communicating to people what framing is and getting them to hate it. Excellent.
Over the coming decades…scientists and their organizations will need to work together with religious communities in order to formulate effective policies and to resolve disputes. A major challenge for scientists will be to craft communication efforts that are sensitive to how religiously diverse publics process messages, but also to the way science is portrayed across types of media. In these efforts, scientists must adopt a language that emphasizes shared values and has broad appeal, avoiding the pitfall of seeming to condescend to fellow citizens, or alienating them by attacking their religious beliefs.
Scientists must adopt this baby-talk – while at the same time avoiding seeming to condescend to fellow citizens, and also avoiding alienating them by attacking their religious beliefs. Oh must they. Who says? Matthew Nisbet, of course.
He also, very puzzlingly to me, says he’s only ‘following the lead’ of Paul Kurtz among others. Paul Kurtz says scientists must avoid attacking (for which read disputing or criticizing or disagreeing with) people’s religious beliefs? Really?
In discussing Dawkins, I am actually only following the lead of many prominent atheists, some who happen to be his friends (i.e. Michael Shermer, Paul Kurtz etc).
Is he being tricky here? (Is he ‘framing’?) In context he seems to be claiming that he’s saying something similar to things Paul Kurtz and others have already says – but he avoids actually literally saying that. He leaves that impression without actually saying it. Maybe he’s just saying that Paul Kurtz has discussed Dawkins, and he is discussing Dawkins too. I did see Michael Shermer’s sloppy criticism of Dawkins (sloppy in that it was inaccurate, as so many of these pieces are), but I certainly haven’t seen anything similar by Paul Kurtz. I think it pretty unlikely that he would write anything of that kind – not unlikely that he would have any criticisms at all, but unlikely that he would write one of these ‘militant atheists should stop it this minute’ items. Look, Paul Kurtz likes B&W, he told me so himself, and nobody who likes B&W would write one of those soppy ‘extremist atheists are big meanies’ articles. I asked Nisbet where Paul Kurtz said anything similar to what Nisbet says, but who knows if he’ll answer. I’m mighty curious, I must say.
I like what Larry Moran said.
Nisbet believes that scientists should spin their scientific messages in a way that avoids upsetting religious people and religious groups…Many of us believe that this is a fundamentally dishonest way for scientists to behave. We believe that science should not be deliberately “framed” by the personal beliefs of scientists whether they are atheists – as are the majority of scientists – or Christians, or whatever. We believe that science should be presented as uncompromised pure science and that it is wrong for scientists to consciously alter their message in order to appease religious citizens who might be offended by hearing the scientific truth. It is not the business of scientists to second guess what the religious public wants to hear, or not hear.
I also like what PZ said.
We can gain some quick policy advantages by, for instance, appealing to purely practical concerns (“We can make more money/we can cure some diseases if you let us do this research”) or by accommodating our tactics to religious beliefs (“God wants you to save the planet!”) at the price of privileging flawed thinking…Let’s encourage people to think science is OK as long as it promotes American business and can be wedged into some theological rationale…and also continue to allow people to believe that religion and quick profits are primary over knowledge and truth. That’s precisely what this approach does, and precisely where it leads to catastrophe.
I hate ‘framing.’
You hate framing? How do you think I feel about it?
This framing thing just won’t die. When I saw it first discussed (on Scienceblogs) it actually seemed pretty innocuous and I didn’t pay it much attention. I assumed it meant that a scientist should know what kind of audience he or she is writing for or speaking to (kids, general public, politicians) and make any necessary adjustments. There are the varying science backgrounds to take into account, for example, or the fact that one might be involved in a policy decision. But it appears to have devolved into something concerned only with finding a way for scientists not to offend the religious. Frankly, I think this is a waste of time.
Ophelia,
You can read what Paul Kurtz said in the interview and report back. I have taken the time for your benefit to transcribe most of the interview. Link below.
I have never advocated building consensus with extreme variants of religion. Notice all the work I have done and continue to do on support for teaching evolution and against intelligent design. Or in support of promoting expanded funding for stem cell research.
Rather, as in the case of both of these issues, I advocate engaging around the many shared values that we hold with the moderately religious, a philosophy I learned from Paul Kurtz.
http://scienceblogs.com/framing-science/2007/09/paul_kurtz_in_contrast_to_the.php
Framing is a much bigger concept than used here. It refers to the packaging of assumptions in a communication, which is not necessarily explicit but manipulates the reader to seeing it a particular way. The mass media do it as a way of life; we all do. A big part of analysing an argument, as you know better than I, is dissecting the co-premises which are implicit – known as framing of the argument.
Its a very useful word.
And ask yourself: if say 75% of Americans want their kids taught evidence-based science, and given the tools to identify codswallop, why refuse to communicate with them because many of them identify with the ‘moderately religious’ demographic?
ChrisPer,
“75% of Americans want their kids taught evidence-based science”
Interesting stat. I’m not being snippy (honest!), but could you post the source, please?
Biggest problem is how individuals/groups define “moderate”. The history of the social sciences is abundant with evidence that people self-identify away from what are regarded as social “extremes”, irrespective of where there views/actions would more accurately place them. It’s not just a “big tent”, it’s a dirty great airship hangar…
A fairly typical example I’ve come across in the US would run along the lines of – “I’m not a fundamentalist, but the bible says homosexuality is wrong, and children should be brought up believing that”.
Alternatively, is it “moderate” to want to “teach the controversy” (just giving every theory a “fair go”) as opposed to actively supporting (un)intelligent design?
I’m prepared to lay odds that the majority of self-identifying “religious” parents are delighted to have their kids taught critical thinking – up to the point where it challenges some of their deeply-cherished beliefs a little too strongly…
:-)
That’s very helpful, Matthew; thanks very much. I will do a post saying I stand corrected.
Mind you, I do think the emphasis and wording differ from yours in some ways that matter, but all the same you’re ab’sly right about the basic point. I apologize for being so skeptical.
PZ, I know! I’ve been reading those posts until my eyes hurt.
I think this stuff is the deadly enemy of free inquiry. I’m gonna say so, too.
“75% of Americans want their kids taught evidence-based science”
Andy G: Interesting stat. I’m not being snippy (honest!), but could you post the source, please?
I pulled it out of my rectal aperture. In Australia it wouldn’t be true either, now that I think of it – too many progressive culture warriors who want their kids taught politically correct science and new-age homeopathy :-(. Where we may be better off is that only single digits (percent) would want their kids taught instantaneous creation and the garbage it comes with.
Nevertheless, I was making the point that there is a reason that school science in the states is not routinely taught from the Bible. People in general, even Christians, are not idiots and do have the sense to expect teachers to know their subject, and trust them to teach it. And parents now, are the children of parents taught in the fifties and sixties when engineering, science and architecture were going to make the world a better place. I would be very surprised if a majority of people, even a majority of American Christians, do not trust the teaching profession to teach science to their kids.
Perhaps if you did a survey on whether people trust the science teaching profession to adequately present the required knowledge, you would get a totally different result to if you slapped them good, told them that scientists are atheists, and they should believe what scientists tell them before asking your survey questions. Wonder if I could get that approach through the research ethics committee…
Well G., I live in a world where I find some good people everywhere I go. I don’t require that all the rest agree with me, or find it scary that they don’t.
‘Scientific’ researchers once claimed that a higher proportion of Americans than that believed they had been abducted by aliens; THAT was scary – for the state of science.