Rooting out obscenity
Women women women – gotta keep them down, you know. If you don’t – sooner or later, they get up, and that won’t do.
Make sure they don’t go to school, and do it by threatening or killing them.
Buildings of two girls schools in the Kabal area of Swat were damaged by a powerful blast on the night of September 29th. Witnesses told Dawn that militants, who have been targeting women’s educational institutions for a couple of weeks, had planted an explosive device in the Government Girls’ High School…Recently, a string of explosions damaged some schools, including the Government Girls’ High School in Matta and the Government Girls Primary School in the Bedara area. An explosive device planted in the Government Girls High School in Qambar was defused by police a few days ago. Students of girls schools are in a state of fear and in some cases people have stopped sending their daughters to schools.
Kill the women who try to teach them, too – kill two birds with one stone. Haw haw haw, that’s a good one! Two birds, geddit? Two birds; killed; haw.
Almost all the girl schools at Lakaro sub-division of Mohmand Agency remained closed on Monday after the killing of one lady teacher by unknown miscreants and inability of the political administration to provide security to women staffers in the wake of threats to them…Some ten days ago the girl schools in Lakaro had received threatening letters from local Taliban warning them to avoid coming to school. Later, they were asked to perform their duties clad in Burqas. Majority of the teachers stopped performing their duties and the schools remained closed…However, the political authorities ignored the threats and avoided taking security measures for protection of the female teachers, which resulted in the tragic killing of one teacher, Khatoon Bibi, resident of Utmanzai, Charsadda.
Khatoon Bibi. Another martyr for education and women’s access to education. There are a lot of them. I hate the word ‘martyr’ because of all the revolting slobber about ‘martyrs’ who murder random people in buses and restaurants; but murdered teachers are genuine martyrs. We’ll miss you, Khatoon Bibi; the girls of Utmanzai and Ghazi Beg will miss you.
Hundreds of women staged a protest in front of the agency education office in Mohmand Agency headquarters Ghalanai on Monday against the threats received by female teachers in the area…The boycott of women teachers meant many schools in Safi, Haleemzai, and Khuvezai tehsils were closed…The administrations of eight schools in Aka Maroof and Sartilgram union councils have closed their schools for an indefinite period following a bomb attack on a girls’ higher secondary school in the Kabal area of Swat…Separately, around 100 people carrying weapons marched in Kabal bazaar and forcibly entered houses to bar residents from playing music. They warned the residents not to play music or they would break their television sets, radios and music players. They asked the residents to cooperate in rooting out “obscenity” from the area.
And since they were carrying weapons, I don’t suppose the residents felt able to reply ‘If rooting obscenity out of the area is your goal, obviously the first (and last) thing you should do is to remove yourselves.’
The scorched school policy of islamists continues because it has already worked really well in places like Afghanistan and Thailand to terrorise the local population into compliance and achieve the islamists’ goal of bullying women back into the powerlessness of illiteracy and literal slavery.
Khatoon BiBi will remain another unsung martyr because the micheal winterbottoms of this world have only film to waste on the likes of the tipton 3 and only ‘western’ shortcomings can be comfortably scrutinised.
Well let’s do what we can to make Khatoon Bibi not quite so unsung a martyr. We can’t do a damn thing about the martyr part, but we can try to do a little about the unsung part.
“If rooting obscenity out of the area is your goal, obviously the first (and last) thing you should do is to remove yourselves” The women for far too long in these countries have sat back and have endorsed the barbaric behaviour of these talibannish thugs. By their sheer home-grown silence of voice and inaction, they have permitted themselves to be bodily compressed, psychologically crushed , stoned, crucified and tortured and downright trodden on all over. Will they ever, at all, become conscious of the fact that there could [even slowly] be a way out of all this atrociousness and vileness? If the women in numbers could only just begin to rise up to these gelatinous, viscous creepy crawly gits and refuse to cooperate with the miscreants behaviour and give them as good as they give. They should make, rooting out obscenity, such as themselves, their main goal.
We are all Khatoon Bibi
That’s not what I hear. There are a great many reasonable people who want Musharaf out, who get too little coverage in the West because Musharaf is seen there as the only alternative to Islamism. He’s not the only alternative, and the cynicism about political possibility that his dictatorship fosters is seen as likely to encourage Islamism.
Ever since I saw Pervez Musharraf on Jon Stewart’s “The Daily Show” plugging his book, I haven’t had a clue what to make of him.
These women should form a militia so they can arm and train themselves in order to provide the protection that the Afgan goverment wont give them.
GT – incitement to murder? Really? Very enlightened of you.
OB, would be interested if you can point me to links with critiques echoing that sentiment – my view is formed largeley/only from a couple of (in depth) BBC World Service pieces, and interviews with the man since 9/11. The criticisms I have read at some of the political blogs (CiF, Harry’s Place)are so polarised they don’t bear repeating. I would be interested to hear / read about opposition that isn’t just burning Israeli flags ! Thanks, N.
Richard/GT – Ghadaffi (remember back in the 80s when he was Evildoer Number One??) had a system where schoolgirls were taught martial arts at school as core curriculum. Girls only, mind, no boys. It meant they could grow up less hassled or molested by guys, because they had been trained in close quarter combat, by army people, and knew how to kick irksomely-testosteroned jerks into next week. Which always kind of impressed me.
Nick S – Ghadaffi did that? really? wow. Just goes to show there’s hope for us all…well, maybe nearly all..
Yes,
Gaddafi on women: “Women should be trained for combat, so that they do not become easy prey for their enemies.”
He also preferred women bodyguards, so I’m not convinced he was completely straight on the ethics front.
Throughout history war and fighting have been seen as men’s activities, however women have always been involved in battles and seiges, not to mention duels, prizefights and so on.
For example, Graine Ni Maille (also known as Grace O’Malley) was an Irish pirate in the 16th Century. Scotland, also, had its fair share of women warriors. In the 18th Century women were also involved in the Jacobite Rising in Scotland, which 1745-6 included Jean (Jenny) Cameron, Lady Anne Macintosh, Lady Margaret Oglivy, Margaret Murray and Lady Lude, to name, but a few. Women as Warriors in History 3500BC to the 20th Century on ‘net is indeed a very interesting read.
I am certainly not a troll – well, not once I have a morning cuppa.
Unless it is immediate self defence to an act or threatened act of violence ‘wasting’ people is murder. Your comments appear to condone the random killing of people you consider to be fanatics (and in your opinion, would that include any Pakistani male? who decides who is a fanatic? – the person with the gun presumably) and are made without context.
I agree that direct action could be effective though. Ever read Lysistrata?
Try not to pay much attention to either Richard or G Tingey; they both go in for ‘kill ’em all’ type comments, which I delete once I have the database up and running. Unfortunately they post the violence-hugging comments during my night, so they sit there for a long time.
It would be nice if both of them would stop 1) giving me the trouble and 2) polluting B&W with that kind of thing. But they won’t.
No, not okay. Violence fantasies not helpful.
GT – I can’t think where I got that from. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that the story OB links relates to events in Pakistan. Still you were probably too caught up in your bloodlust to read it.
Tingey/Richard,
What the hell are you proposing? Are you even capable of imagining what would happen to women who followed your juvenile revenge fantasies? Have you ever seen or smelled what happens after the weak resist?
It’s messy.
Tingey is a waste of time. But Richard, surely you accept that that there is a long road to progress, and that Nukes on Mecca and Saturday Night Specials for the Burkha-bound is not a helpful agenda. Deal with reality a little more.
Don these women have been failed by the Afgan goverment,the U.N.the allied forces and even the local police,at what point do you think that they should resist? should they wait untill half their number are dead? also when the weak resist its messy are you saying that the week should not resist? isnt dying with dignity better than living as serfs?
It also seems to me that people are blaming me because tingey followed me with his intemperate remark,I didnt sugest open season on taliban or revenge or anything like it.
Have I ever seen what happens when the weak resist no,but I have studied the holocaust and I would point out that the Jews who resisted Hitler got pretey much the same as the jews that didnt, the only differance the resisters died knowing that at least their tormentors paid a price.
Passive obedience and non-resistance? Whatever next? Papists, the lot of you, Jacobitical papists and idolators!!
[*click* JohnBull1760 Mode OFF]
But seriously, fantasies of a sudden wave of burka-wearing ninjas of gender vengeance aside, it is *extremely dangerous* to denigrate the right of self-defence, under any circumstances. For a start, it presupposes, with prejudice, that any hope for change can only come from a morally-superior external source. You can follow through the cultural logics of that for yourself.
I agree Dave if one rules out the use of force completely you basicly hand the future to the men with guns.
“OB…so you are suggesting (maybe?) that there should be no resistance to the religious bullies?”
In five years, that is the damnedest, boneheadedest, silliest thing I’ve ever read here and that includes my own flippant posts. Dumber than a bag of hammers. Back of class Tingey.
Just over a year ago (I think) I read of a case in (I think) India where a local gang leader who had dominated his neighbourhood by gang rape and violence was walking free from yet another failed prosecution and stopped to taunt and threaten the women who had had the courage to bring a case against him.
Pushed beyond endurance a crowd of women over-powered his henchmen and emasculated him with shards, leaving him bleeding to death in the court precincts.
Yeah, of course I was air-punching that moment of rough justice.
But to suggest that direct violent action by oppressed women is a viable strategy for change is infantile in its refusal to see the world as it actually is.
Of course the right to self-defence is valid, but to suggest that anything would be improved by individual women attempting to ‘take on’ their oppressors in an armed conflict is beyond stupid.
Thanks, Nick.
By the way I forgot to answer your question about Musharaf. Check out a Pakistani journalist and author (The Taliban) named Ahmed Rashid.
Richard and Tingey: what I was objecting to was not the idea that women should be able to defend themselves, it was your (yes, both of you) usual indulgence in silly pointless revenge fantasies. They don’t get us anywhere, they don’t add anything, they’re just hot air. Keep them to yourselves.
What do you think I am, the UN? Why do I have to give you practical suggestions?!
‘You may have to accept that casualties will be taken…’
Ophelia, I know that you dislike the use of obscenities on this site. So, no comment.
Tingey’s going to be passing out white feathers soon.
O.B. all I was sugesting was that these women armed themselves with guns and learned how to use them, I dont think that is a revenge fantasy?
How is it not?
It’s a classic revenge fantasy, the basis of several movies and none of them good.
The implication (intended or not) is that women are oppressed because they don’t have the gumption to pick up a piece and start blowing away the oppressors. You don’t seem to have any sense of context; this ain’t Thelma and Louise with burqas.
And it’s such an empty answer. Suppose around here men suddenly started telling girls not to go to school, parents not to send their daughters to school, women not to teach in schools (or do any other kind of work either), and then started blowing up schools and murdering women teachers. Would it be helpful to say ‘Carry a gun, shoot the bastards, preferably in the stomach’? I don’t want to go around shooting people before they shoot me! I want to live in a world where nobody wants to prevent girls from going to shcool or women from being something more than a piece of furniture! Telling women to shoot first is no kind of response at all.
And yes, it is a revenge fantasy; as Don says, a classic.
I hated ‘Thelma and Louise’ for exactly that reason – the stupid rejoicing in revenge fantasy. I was repulsed by the cheers that went up when they threatened that cop – in fact that’s when I got up and left.
Again you are both hanging what Tingey said on me! I said nothing about blasting away at people, a gun is just a tool it can be used to protect,liberate or opress depending on who holds it, these women are decent people otherwise why would they risk their lives to teach,so why the Thelma and Louise analogy?
I would also point out that the reason we live in a world were our children can go to school without fear is because armed men and women guard that world for us!
We don’t live in a world where children can go to school without fear. Some of us live in countries or regions where children can go to school without fear, and that situation exists because people don’t want to prevent children from going to school, not because there are armed soldiers on every corner.
The Thelma and Louise analogy is because it is a fantasy to think that a women’s militia would be a solution to the problem. If bullies with guns were systematically murdering teachers in Sutton, do you seriously think a militia would help?
But if that were happening in Sutton I would be able to call the police who would (I hope) respond to the crisis without fear or favour this cant be said about Pakistan or Afganistan,I am not naieve enough to think that the problem for these brave women would be solved by my sugestion but it might at least give them some protection. The alternative seems to be that these women wait to be picked of one by one whenever the taliban feel like making a point.
Yes but what does it mean to say the police would respond? Nothing, really. If bullies with guns are determined to murder people, they can do it. Everyone packing heat doesn’t help much. This isn’t like a duel, you know – the bullies with guns don’t walk up to women and challenge them to a fair fight. They don’t give them the opportunity to defend themselves.
We can’t defend ourselves against this kind of thing. That’s the reality. If people want to do it, they can do it. The only safety is a world where people don’t want to do it.
That can happen. It happened even in the South in the US. But that situation is always, always precarious; it has to be defended with arguments and education and material conditions (peace, prosperity, opportunity, equality, etc), not with guns.
Fair point, the killer can always choose his time to strike the victims have to be vigilant at all times,I think the south is a bad analogy because many of the problems suffered by black people were solved by federal intervention,I dont see that this is posible where these women live, also how would you change the mindset of the taliban thugs ? I dont think any amount of education will change these guys.