Offended in Dundee
How to get into the newspapers: say something fatuous and self-regarding and preeningly righteous.
Second-year dental student Emily Mackie said the university’s decision to call its inaugural Dundee Christmas Lecture “Why Evolution is Right … and Creationism is Wrong” is badly timed and insensitive to Christians.
And this makes it into a newspaper because…nothing ever happens in Dundee? Too chilly up there is it?
But since it did make it into a newspaper, I can’t resist looking at it.
The lecture is being given by Steve Jones, professor of genetics at University College, London, who claims that all biologists support the theory of evolution and that “intelligent design”—the belief that life was created as part of a divine plan—is wrong.
He ‘claims’ that, does he? Goes right out on a limb and claims that? Imagine. (Steve Jones wrote a little something for B&W once you know – he contributed to the group article on the decision in the Kitzmiller case. ‘Up the Joneses,’ he said, amusingly, celebrating Judge John Jones, Bush appointee and sensible judge.)
Miss Mackie, who is also a member of Dundee University’s Christian Union—reckons the lecture will create divisions rather than bring the community together. She said, “I appreciate that the role of a university is to encourage academic debate on a wide range of sometimes controversial issues. However, as a Christian I am offended that the lecture purporting to coincide with such an important Christian festival has so clearly been chosen to antagonise Christians.
‘As a Christian I am offended’ – there’s one of the worst, most repellent formulas in the discourse of complaint we have today – but boy is it popular. Variations of it were all over Nova’s ‘Judgment Day’: one stalwart citizen of Dover after another talking about being offended. I think that was the first thing the awful Bill Buckingham said – ‘I am personally offended by evolution because the Bible etc etc etc’ – the ‘personally’ was a nice annoying touch. So you’re ‘personally’ offended by reality, so what! The world doesn’t revolve around you, so suck it up.
And by the way the ‘such an important Christian festival’ is codswallop, as Mackie ought to know. It’s an important shopping and eating and air travel festival, it’s not genuinely Christian at all; it has nothing real to do with Christianity (surely she’s heard about the ancient solstice festival?), so she has even less business being offended.
“I also feel that the lecture title allows no scope for a balanced debate on the subject. I call on the university to take a moral stand and choose a new title which better reflects the celebration of the birth of Christ.”
What would that be? “Happy Birthday Baby Jesus: Why Evolution is Right … and Creationism is Wrong”?
Dundee University said its decision to book Professor Jones for its Christmas lecture was “opportunistic” as he is a highly sought after speaker who could only be available at this time…“However, I would deny that we have put opportunism over sensitivity as I think this will provide an opportunity for all sides of the argument to be aired.”
That’s another one – it’s like the mirror-image of ‘offended.’ It’s what you’re supposed to run to the closet and fetch when someone is offended – sensitivity. They’re a co-dependent couple, those two words. Offended and sensitivity; they’re like egg and chips, apple and pears, Ben and Jerry’s. But all the same, there is something very stomach-turning about the idea that a university is supposed to deploy ‘sensitivity’ about the organ of offendedness in godbothering students when planning its lectures on academic subjects.
Once again I disagree (if it carries on like this, I will soon become the court jester on B&W. It will help if you read my posts with an outragous French accent…)
I think they SHOULD carry on using the o-word at every opportunity, carrying it to ever increasing levels of ludicruousness, until everyone can see the vacuity and the stupidity of it. Until everyone has no choice but to realize and stop thinking that such opinions are deserving of respect by merely being.
But I thought that a Christians’ main purpose in life was to be offended, disgusted, outraged and/or appalled?
Surely, then, she should be happy to be given another timely opportunity to exercise the Christian prerogative?
This ludicrous right to not be offended seems to be claimed by an ever growing number of people,this is probably why the goverment felt comfortable introducing even more revolting speech laws? God I wish the U.K had a first amendment!
This does indeed make it into the Courier because nothing ever happens in Dundee. Of all Scotland’s cities, that’s the one I most dread being packed off to (I get sent around them with work a lot).
Reminds me of a book of short stories set in Dundee I stumbled upon called
“The smiling school for Calvinists”
I went to the talk when it was at Leicester, and the creationism is wrong bit is very specifically about the literal six days, God did it variety of religions. I say religions because he doesn’t just tackle Christian creationism.
I don’t know if Miss Mackie would be offended that Christianity isn’t essential for Creationist beliefs.
Good grief, why would anybody care about the opinions of some idiot student as reported by an obscure local paper? I can tell you that a maximum of 3 1/2 people in the UK wil be interested.
I expected you to be commenting on this; doesn’t it cheer you up to think that our ex-PM played down his religious faith whilst in office because he feared that its existence would make him less electable? (I must say that I hope Ming didn’t really say anything quite so stupid as attributed to him herein, however).
Well I know, I did have the ‘who cares, one idiot student’ thought – but that ‘Azza, I am offended’ thing did catch my eye and it is quite popular and it did remind me of the appalling Bill Buckingham so I did feel like giving it a kicking. And no, alas, ex-PM thing doesn’t cheer me up at all because it’s so not like that here so what good does that do us?
Interesting idea Arnaud, and it ought to work that way, but it doesn’t, instead it just spreads and spreads! Surely the only thing to do is undertake the ridicule ourselves rather than waiting for someone else to do it…
“…nothing ever happens in Dundee?”
Dinna let the braa fowk fae Dundee get a whisper o tha in their ears.
There is a wee poem called the Mither Tongue, which was by a Dundodian written. Tha wi cheer ye all up, no end am sure ee tha. Ach, aye it did me so.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/scotland/whereilive/perthandtayside/voices/transcripts.shtml?transcript=3
Btw, Traditional Dundee Cake is very light and scrumptious. Perhaps the university (like the Baptists in the Seminary in America) might consider putting on a comparable cookery course. The finished products will enable Emily Mackie to get her teeth into and therefore keep her busy chawing away. The God bothering student will not have time to be panicking about the state of others’ religion.W
We’re No Awa Tae Bide Awa!
I’m from a family of Dundonians. Never lived their myself though.
My grandmother made a very fine dumpling. Don’t think I’ve ever had Dundee cake though.
“I’m from a family of Dundodians”
Aye, so something bonnie and sweet in the Scottish shape of wee bairns did happen in Dùn Dèagh. Dundee also has also gained a reputation for its marmalade industry and its journalism, giving Dundee its epithet as the city of “jute, jam and journalism”. Also, during the 1800’s an influx of Irish people fled the potato famine and settled in its industrialised heartland. “Room, room, my gallant boys And give us room to rhyme We’ll show you some activity Upon this Christmas time-” This is part of a poem that Seamus Heaney recited at a lecture – as part of the University of Dundee’s Greatest Minds Lecture series in July 2003.
I love marmalade, especially the thick-cut sort.
I’m appalled that a dentistry student, who is presumably required to study human biology and other medical science, can utter such rot. Whatever next – tooth decay is God’s revenge on people who don’t brush their teeth properly? (Particularly after eating too much marmalade and Dundee cake …)
I’m delighted the way these discussions leave the important and get on to the more important. I’m more of a black currant jam man, the lumpier the better.
Tingey – try this book. Atran and Boyer are good too.
Your question is only unansweed because you have done insufficient research.
“I can tell you that a maximum of 3 1/2 people in the UK will be interested.”
Well that’s just dwarfist. And at 5’2″, I am offended.
Not dwarfist – I thought the idiot student’s mother would be half interested!
GT – why don’t you just read the book, or not. It addresses the question on the cover. I don’t think there is any evidence for a “resurgence in irrationality” – such a thing is just one of those talking-head liberal-art memes which go around.
Sorry, but I have invoked the O word. you must apologise.
Nick S – oh, OK, I am everso sorry that you were upset. (In real life I would have said that in a way that made it obvious that I thought you were high-maintenance and not-quite-grown-up. I never understand why people object to apologising. It is frequently quite fun; I used to find it a great stress-reliever at work).
Tingey; saying “but still” does not in any way impact the perfectly correct point that the n=1 retrospectively-defined data point is worthless.
Being (probably?) the closest B&W commenter to Dundee (I’m in Dunfermline), can I just say it ISN’T that cold (just very, very boring), so that can’t be used as an excuse?
If you want properly cold, Aberdeen takes some beating…
Oh and Ben, tooth decay is God’s vengeance on humanity for not persecuting homosexuals unpleasantly enough…(if you believe folk like my M-i-L)
MTOL – have you been watching the original series of Star Trek lately, by any chance?
:-))
Hee hee hee, that’s the way to talk to Tingey. If only I were clever enough.
Tooth decay is God’s vengeance on humanity for not persecuting homosexuals unpleasantly enough? Really? I thought that was US soldiers killed in Iraq? It can’t be both can it?
Andy/OB – I thought AIDS was God’s vengeance on humanity for not persecuting homosexuals unpleasantly enough – or is it that AIDS is just God’s punishment for homosexuals. I get so confused …
potentilla, now that was funny.
Cake? Jam? Journalism (ffs)?
The BEST thing to come out of Dundee can be found at http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk . I’m sure the great man would have written a poem about this if he was still around.
AIDS is the vengeance of the Lord. Tooth decay is merely the parable He, in His wisdom, uses to teach us: as a once fine row of pristine gnashers now reduced to yellowy stumps, so are we sinners in the eye of God…
(Also applies to cancer, Alzheimer’s, cirrhosis of the liver and the night life in Dundee, it seems)
G Tingey, my sample is also irrelevant as I have only been in the UK for the past 10 years. But have you considered a more likely explanation for your own experience, simply that a small part of the religious has become more vocal?
I don’t think, if that’s what you mean, that there has been any increase of attendance in Church in the UK these past years, with the possible exception of the Catholics, due to the recent arrival of Polish workers (coming here to steal jobs from the French).
Chris Hunt: McGonagall is no more but Terry Pratchett does a find job in pastiching him in The Wee Free Men!
“Cake? Jam? Journalism (ffs)?”
Re: The comical Poet, McGonagall. There was some years ago by all accounts an appreciation Dinner held during which the courses were allegedly served in reverse order, starting with the coffee and ending with the starters”. Spike Milligan would have loved that – and why not. I too am all for that. Cake & jam, first, is by far much better for the digestive system.
There is a lot to write home about, (ffs)!!
“Have you been watching the original series of Star Trek lately, by any chance?”
No Andy, I have not. Though I do know that there is a prequel (based on one specific episode of the popular TV series of ‘67) in 2008 being made by Paramount which should prove worthy of viewing. SPOILER ALERT: The sci-fi website IESB.net
Dr. Spock’s ashes of which went into space in a casket was a very innovative and cool thing to do.
Star trek rules, okay!
oooh! Half-a-point!
Soon I will have a star!
MTOL,
But surely in your earlier posts you were channeling James Doohan?
;-))
Arnaud: Here in the Yoo-kay, in terms of attendance, thrusting leaflets at unsuspecting passers-by, denigrating homosexuals, etc,etc, you might want to check the up-and-coming “evangelical” churches vs. the more traditional bunch.
Membership of these does seem to be increasing, although most of that might just be a switch away from the CoE…
Never forget the Scottish Christian Party, either, lead by the groovy Rev. George Hargreaves!
Thanks Andy but I don’t really want to… I’ve got enough of them boarding my morning bus at least once a month when going through Peckham. Usually from a pentcostal church called the Universal Church for the Kingdom of God.
Put a preacher in front of a captive audience (and we are a captive audience: in London, once you managed to get into a bus, you don’t leave until you reach your destination) and the guy really comes into his own.
I don’t care about going to heaven, I only want to go Westminster!
But I remember being… shocked, I suppose, when I first moved here ten years ago by preachers in the streets of Willesden with their megaphones, so it’s definitely not a new phenomenon.
I must admit though I quite liked the guy who used to preach sometimes to the Mormons, just outside their swanky South Kensington Church. I would regularly walk past him on my way to work. He was obviously a nutter but he had a good preaching voice and a good command of the language as well when it came to, you know, passion but also rythm and tempo.
It helps as well that religious nuts trying to convert each other is always funny. (NSFW by the way, a bit violent)
Re: James Doohan?
Andy, James Doohan (RIP) reportedly, to Gene Roddenberry (the creator of Star Trek) said: “If you’re going to have an engineer, (in Star Trex) you’d better make him Scottish” (or “All the world’s best engineers have been Scottish”).”
Dùn Phàrlain, aye, sure is it not also the home of a mixed bunch – like Charilie, and The Skids!
I will be hurriedly trekking it with stars in my eyes to ‘The fort in the bend of the stream’ if this conversation goes on any further. :-)!
Save me Dr. Spock!