Allah-o-akbar, thwack, crunch
Honour is a beautiful thing; so is devoutness; right? Seven or eight men knocking a woman down and then kicking her and breaking several of her ribs – what could be more beautiful and holy than that? Few things I can think of, for sure.
Norwegian-Somalian Kadra, who became famous in Norway for exposing imam support of female circumcision, was beaten unconscious on Thursday…”I was terrified. While I lay on the pavement they kicked me and screamed that I had trampled on the Koran. Several shouted Allah-o-akbar (God is great) and also recited from the Koran,” Kadra told VG. Kadra linked the attack to recent remarks in VG where she said that the Koran’s views on women needed to be reinterpreted. Kadra said that the gang of Somali men attacked her around 3 a.m. in downtown Oslo on Thursday. A medical examination found that she had several broken ribs.
Several broken ribs. Broken ribs really hurt, and they can’t be immobilized the way most fractures can. What a charming idea of ‘God’ these men must have, to think it wants them to shout how great it is while breaking the ribs of a small thin woman lying on the street.
Furchtbar, schrecklich, Allah-o-akbar, thwack, crunch redselsfull, fryktelig, okropny, horrível
الرهيبان يخجلوا من أنفسهم Matokeo ya Utafutaji kwa – terrible. God is so terribly great that they had to demonstrate his greatness – loud and clear in a bullying fashion on a defenceless Somalian “Woman” in the early hours of an OSLO morning. The Allah-furchtbar, twack crunch, , bash, thump. punch, wallop, misogynist cowards should be rounded up and forced by the democratic system in place to see the wrong they have bestowed on this innocent victim. They should not get away with their despicable decrepit God-Less behaviour, – or should that be minus “less”? Allah, furchtbar-o-akbar.
PLEASE Marie T all cultures are entitled to equal respect you must not be so eurocentric in your outlook!
Euro centric = “focussed on Europe and the Europeans” = when in Rome do as the Romans do. These thuggish “women haters” who hid behind the Koran, in the early hours of an “Oslo” morn, TO BEAT THE LIVING allah o; ackbar DAYLIGHT OUT OF A VULNERABLE CITIZEN broke the law, -period. The misogynists THEREFORE should, by Norwegian Law enforcement Authorities DEMOCRATIC STANDARDS SHOULD befittingly BE dealt with in the same way as any other Norwegian citizen.
Norway is geographically, partially surrounded, – by EU members, and is effectively in this respect a part of the EU. So presumably, like Switzerland they have similar laws in force as EU member states to deal with such like people as these misogynists.
It is as plain as the letters in this post that they consider women as “Untermenchen”. Women, such as the Somalian have to apologise for breathing the same European air as the Allah o furchtbar o ackbar supremacist woman beaters/haters.
I was so incensed on reading the contents that OB posted; I did not even read the full article.
The violent perpetrators of this vicious act should pay dearly. Women are not second, or third class citizens, but they are treated as such by men throughout the globe., AND HAVE BEEN SINCE TIME BEGAN.
The key thing though is (somehow, somehow, don’t ask me how, I don’t know) to persuade people (men but also women) to stop thinking in ways that lead to such ways of acting. A very uphill fight at the moment.
Clergymen, Amen, Holy men, Amen, European men, Amen; American men, Amen; Asian men, Amen; African men, Amen, should all get their walking boots out of their respective Continent cupboards and get briskly marching up those hills. Singing en route the AMEN marching song: “We shall not we shall not be cruel. We shall not we shall not be cruel. Just like the cruel mysogynists that beat up women we no longer shall be cruel”.
The fearsome cruel HOLY nunnery women should also join hands with each other and take themselves, in their stocking feet, up to Lough Derg to do long overdue penance. Benedict should follow the unforgiving, unrepentant unapolegitic stockinged holy footsteps nuns. They should ask their God for forgiveness for all the cruelty, both sexual and physical that was by their comrades in religion perpetrated on children in industrial schools – such as Goldenbridge. Their uphill marching hill song should be: We shall no more live in de-nile, We shall no more live in de-nile, Just look into the eyes of victims/survivors of child abuse that have suffered. And we shall be truly moved.
The kind of change OB describes is something that will take generations and the upcoming Muslim generations these days don’t look too kindly on Western ways as it is. Not only will it be an uphill struggle but a long, long struggle too.
In the meantime, those men live in Norway and broke Norwegian laws. They must be shown that Western culture will not stand to see women being treated that way, whatever the cultural imperatives at stake. They must be punished according to the law adn made an example of for those who might consider imitating them.
Should have read “APOLOGETIC” that would be in fine order. It is past bedtime. Must rush to post.
Marie-Therese O’ Loughlin: “Women are not second, or third class citizens, but they are treated as such by men throughout the globe. AND HAVE BEEN SINCE TIME BEGAN.”
Please…”by SOME (or even many) men”.
I am not sure punishing this barbarian is going to change anything,far better to give the s.o.b a one way ticket back to the cess pool he came from, that would send a much better signal that europe is sick of this crap!
All religions are based on fear and superstition, and are a combination of moral and physical blackmail.
This incident is merely further confirmation of the truth of this proposition.
Now all we have to do, is get rid of this absurd “respect” for religion meme that has re-surfaced (see also the Martha Nussbaum thread).
In the meantime, Ophelia said: “The key thing though is (somehow, somehow, don’t ask me how, I don’t know) to persuade people (men but also women) to stop thinking in ways that lead to such ways of acting. A very uphill fight at the moment.”
Oh, I don’t know?
50 Megatons on Mecca?
God is dead, Jewish physics is great?
And 50 Megatons on Oslo. Just in case.
Can the 50 megaton posturers just have a little think about what they are actually saying.
Thanks.
dirigible – I was being sarcastic.
“Please…”by SOME (or even many) men”
“but they are treated as such by men throughout”
Oops, Sorry, “such as these misogynists” should have followed – throughtout. Does that rectify the matter?
If these men had been in Iran, they’d have been national heroes.
The Iranian Supreme Court has just declared a very similar bunch of thugs innocent of murder because the victims- and there a fair number of them- were guilty of ‘unislamic’ activities anyway.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6557679.stm
I am completely for nuking religious vigilantes.
“Behavior where one goes to physical attack on someone you disagree with violates Islamic teaching and the prophet Muhammad’s sunnah (lifestyle). We strongly object to such behavior”
I was recently talking to a Bangladesh Moslem Gentleman. He quite categorically came to the same conclusion as the above regarding physical violence in Islam Religion.
The Somalians who beat up beautiful Kadra had their own agenda.
Perhaps her beauty got in their polygamist way?
“polygamistic”- should have read.
Tingey, I’ve told you before: stop saying that. And stop being so damn brainless while you’re at it.
Marie t some moslems may wish it so but islam most certainly does condone violence against women and also all non moslems just for good measure!
Especially since there is little centralized authority or agreement on what Islam really means-every tribal elder or misogynistic old fart can decide for themselves that Islam does require breaking the ribs of an opponent.
“The argument that Islam is incompatible with peaceful, tolerant societies is undermined by the historical example; Muslims in Spain 1000 years ago had an educated, civilised and knowledgeable society. Spanish Muslim libraries were the best in Europe, and their translations of the ancient Greek texts provided the basis for the Renaissance, as these works were translated into modern European languages. Jewish Talmudic scholarship in Spain during that period was also tolerated and many great Jewish scholars lived during that time. When Ferdinand and Isabella completed the reconquista, they expelled the Jews from Spain. Yet today, we do not so readily associate Catholics with intolerance and persecution; in fact they have proved perfectly able to coexist with other faiths (Northern Ireland and a few other places excepted)”.
I saw this comment {of some three years ago} on the web. Author unknown.
The idea that Islam is founded on a principle of intolerance is simply false (or, if it is true, it is true of all religions). That fundamentalist Islam diverges from this tradition is most certainly a negative development, but the answer lies not in condemning Islam, but in condeming those who use it to persecute others. I’m sure we both agree that fundamentalists are the enemy of a tolerant society, but let’s not group all muslims together.
I saw this comment {of some three years ago} on the web. Author unknown.
The Moslems who own Internet Cafe from whence I post are so extremely polite and treat all their Patrons with utmost respect. They can oftentimes be treated diabolically by weekend Dublin city revellers, but they never retaliate.
Richard,
“but Islam most certainly does condone violence against women”
Muhammad married young girls, was polygamous, and led an army. The revelations he revealed in the Qu’ran (not actually “his” teachings, according to Muslims), however, praise modesty, giving to the poor, rules of war, prayer and reflection, and temperance. They certainly forbade genocide, and, the killing of innocent people and women and children. Muslims were instructed to never attack those who are unarmed, but to remove unbelievers if those unbelievers try to occupy their lands. Jews and Christians are granted special status as “people of the book”, and are allowed to live peacefully in Muslim lands, so long as they do not try to take land from Muslims.
This is another old unknown comment.
This may be me misinterpreting islam Marie T but the way I see it is that islam only requires moslems to treat other moslems with respect ect, the non believer has no protection,(see history for details)as to moslem lands there is not one place on planet earth where islam is practiced that the land was not taken at the point of a sword so to my mind there are no legitimate moslem lands!
“the way I see it is that Islam only requires Moslems to treat other moslems with respect – the non believer has no protection,(see history for details)”
Richard, I looked up the History of Islam. powerful stuff.
There seemed to have been a somewhat calm period in Spain.
“This time period – roughly 711-1250 (the more or less highwater mark) was absolutely fascinating. One of the only time periods when Islam, Christianity and Judaism coexisted with relative peace. One of the only rules handed down from the Caliphates to the Christians was this: don’t ring your church bells.. Otherwise, worship and have fun.”
Anyone who wants to understand the Iberian peninsula and its relevance to medieval Europe must study this period heavily. The city of Toledo, Spain became a translation centre where Christian monks would translate Arabic texts into Latin and then this knowledge filtered its way north into the rest of Europe.
I would agree that they were probably islams golden years but since then it has just been pain and suffering!I would also point out that Spain was taken by the sword.
Plus, although it may be true that Islamic Spain was a peaceful place of coexistence, the reality is that the Spanish Muslims were considered decadents by their more fervent tribal enemies in North Africa-who a couple of times undertook cleansing conquests (and promptly became “soft” themselves-until the next wave of purists arrived)
*** A Brief History of al-Andalus ***
From about 600 to about 1600. Sums it all up. It is a very vast interesting subject.
I note therein that Spanish Muslim women, then, did not wear veils but instead ‘kerchiefs around their heads. Women also had good jobs in libraries.