Without being co-opted
According to The Chronicle of Higher Ed, Hamid Dabashi, a professor of Iranian studies and comparative literature at Columbia University, read Seymour Hersh’s New Yorker article, about the Bush admin’s plans to whack Iran, with dismay.
The article prompted him to dust off an essay that he had written a few years before and publish it in the June 1 edition of the Egyptian English-language newspaper Al-Ahram. His target? Not President Bush or the Pentagon, but Azar Nafisi, author of the best-selling memoir Reading Lolita in Tehran…His blistering essay cast Ms. Nafisi as a collaborator in the Bush administration’s plans for regime change in Iran. He drew heavily on the late scholar Edward Said’s ideas about the relationship between Western literature and empire and the fetishization of the “Orient” to attack Reading Lolita in Tehran as a prop for American imperialism…In an interview published on the Web site of the left-wing publication Z Magazine on August 4, Mr. Dabashi went even further, comparing Ms. Nafisi to a U.S. Army reservist convicted of abusing Iraqi prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison. “To me there is no difference between Lynndie England and Azar Nafisi,” he told the magazine.
No difference. Interesting. And pleasant, and reasonable, and conducive to rational dialogue.
I saw the article via Crooked Timber just now, and it grabbed my attention with some violence. It is a subject I think about. The aftermath of Ramin Jahanbegloo’s release brought the subject sharply into relief, and I worried about it a good deal – specifically about the possibility of tainting Iranian reformers, in or out of Iran, by supporting them; or endangering them; or both.
Coincidentally enough, I was interviewed briefly by Maryam Namazie yesterday for her tv programme, and blurted out my worries on this subject. I had a feeling as I was blurting that it wasn’t the ideal thing to say, but it was what came into my head – and it gave Maryam an opportunity to be eloquent about internationalism and solidarity, so perhaps it was all right. (She is damn eloquent, Maryam is.) At any rate, under the circumstances, it really is hard for an American not to worry at all that she could be tainting people with suspicion of being in cahoots with the Bush administration, however unwittingly. As the Chron points out –
The conundrum, say these scholars, is how to voice opposition to the actions of the Islamic Republic without being co-opted by those who seek external regime change in Iran through a military attack. “All of us are mortified about the possibility of a U.S. attack on Iran,” says Janet Afary, an associate professor of history and women’s studies on Purdue University’s main campus and president of the International Society for Iranian Studies.
But Tim Burke blows some nonsense out of the water.
But read further, and you’ll see one more thing, which is the underlying manner that a great deal of ostensibly “postcolonial” literary criticism is basically nationalism in disguise, because to Dabashi the greatest sin of Nafisi is that she doesn’t like Iranian culture. E.g., this is not so much about whether or not the post-1979 government is or is not repressive. Dabashi isn’t about to be enough of a tool to argue that it is not repressive. This is about diasporic struggles over national identity, and a pretty crude attempt to rough up someone who speaks as a “national” but commits cultural treason against the nation. Anybody who on this blog, commenter or otherwise, has ever railed against the bullshit cultural nationalism of the American right – the calling out of Sontag et al as traitorously “European”, the argument that any time an American intellectual expresses distaste or disgust for American culture, should recognize what Dabashi is doing here. He is posing the sheer impossibility, in his view, of ever being a native who hates or criticizes his native nation (not government, but nation-as-culture, culture-as-nation). In Dabashi’s reading, the moment that a postcolonial subject expresses that perspective, they MUST, inevitably, be a hollow vessel within which lurks the empire. Whereas “Western” subjects still retain the liberal privilege of hating or disliking their nation; they are choosing subjects. This is noxious on a great many levels, not the least of which is the political puppeteering that is going on here. Western subjects choose and so long as they choose to become anti-national, they are good choosing subjects; native subjects must be loyal to their nation or be nothing more than pawns of empire. Two different kinds of human subjectivity here: what could be more faithful to the colonial bifurcation of the world into West and non-West?
Beautifully said.
To be continued.
As an Iranian who gained a postgraduate degree in Iran in English literature I can tell you that my main problem with Azar Nafisi is that she was LYING- at least in her era, it was not impossible to read Lolita in Tehran -in the university. To me, and many others around me, it seemed she was making up all this song-and-dance for Western ears, for the material benefits it undoubtedly had for her. (not for western imperialism blah blah blah) Everybody here knows that Nafisi left the university (in Tehran) because of disgreements with Admin. of her University about admin issues, squabbling with other lecturers over classes- that kind of thing, and she took the easy way out. The way she set herself up as a martyr of free speech over there was sickening to many of her students here, some of whom have gone through much worse abuse and violations that she has ever the right to complain of. I have never heard of Dabashi. But he is not alone amongst Iranians for disliking Nafisi- maybe he has the wrong reasons; for me and fellow-students and lecturers, it was her perceived hypocrisy and willingness to “sell out” to the West, i.e., slag off Iran (untruthfully, she should have chosen a better subject) for money, fame, tenure, etc.
Thanks, Shiva, that’s useful. And now that you mention it, I knew that…I think I’ve linked to something on the subject here, a longish time ago.
Dabashi seems to be another matter though.
For another (far more sympathetic) view of Nafisi, see the comments by “Rana” on the CT thread. As well, I have an Iranian colleague who recommended Nafisi’s book. He went to university in Tehran and still has family there. I’ll see what he makes of the dispute.
Yes, Rana’s comments are one of the things I wanted to get to later (hence ‘to be continued’). The bit about Dabashi defending Said for instance – very interesting.
Rana’s cool. She posted some memorable comments at CT during the hijab in France fuss. I persuaded her to email me, and then to at least consider writing an article on the subject for B&W, though alas she didn’t end up doing it. (I don’t know for sure it’s the same Rana, but think so.)
Great; keep us posted about colleague.
I just re-read my comment- I sound really furious. We were furious at the time when when the book came out and we were taliking about it. It’s just that there are thousands of professional women in Iran, lecturing, nursing, teaching, operating (ok, not judging, – and definitely reporting with risk), whatever. All with the veil stuck on their heads. It’s just a condition of life over here, it’s a condition of working, it’s the uniform you wear to work, it stops being so important after a while. It certainly shouldn’t stop you from using your talents and energies and education to serve your society / your country. (I suppose that sounds a bit old-fashioned) and ok, if you don’t want to serve your society in with this condition, you get out, as many thousands do. (you’ve all heard about the brain-drain from Iran, right?)But it’s simply hypocritical to then make a martyr of yourself of free speech and women’s rights. Am I getting my point across without sounding paranoid and brainwashed?
Burke claims Dabashi dislikes Nafisi because she is disloyal to her culture, and that this disloyalty automatically leads to collaboration with US power. If that were the case, then Dabashi would be accusing himself of being a US puppet because he acknowledges “the prevalence of a sustained course of misogyny in Iranian and by extension Islamic cultures”, (Dabashi, Znet interview).
What I get from reading Dabashi’s interview is that his problem is that he finds Nafisi’s picture of Iranian intellectual life distorted. Dabashi states that Iranian literary culture is cosmopolitan. Again, I quote from the interview: “The question is not that people in Iran did not read English or American literature. Of course they did. As they did in fact the French, the German, the Russian, the Latin American, the African, the Indian, or the Arabic literature.” Dabashi doesn’t see Iranian culture as a self-contained unit, and he seems happy about it, so Dabashi isn’t guilty of mirroring the “bullshit cultural nationalism of the American right”, as Burke puts it. We can argue about whether or not Nafisi is a neo-con collaborator, but Burke’s simplification of Dabashi is wrong.
If you don’t want to serve your society in with this condition, you get out, as many thousands do.
Point taken about Nafisi, Shiva, but I can’t help but think that comment is uncomfortably close to that rather right-wing, super-patriotic “This is America! Like it or leave it!” stuff.
Shiva,
I think you’re getting your point across (I think I get what you’re saying), but I’m not sure I agree. I don’t see why it’s hypocritical to, not make a martyr of oneself (which I’m not convinced Nafisi does), but claim the whole matter is an issue of human rights. What about Marjane Satrapi? Do you see her as hypocritical too? What about Azam Kamguian, and Maryam Namazie, and Homa Arjomand, and Azar Majedi? They’re all strongly opposed to the hijab.
What I get from reading Dabashi’s interview is that he’s an intemperate verbal thug and bully. I find it nearly unreadable. I also find it slightly staggering that he teaches comp lit at Columbia.
An issue of women’s rights, I meant – as in Shiva’s comment.
“We were furious at the time when when the book came out…It’s just that there are thousands of professional women in Iran….All with the veil stuck on their heads. It’s just a condition of life over here….it stops being so important after a while.”
Shiva:
You have lived in Iran, while I have not. But I’m trying to understand what specifically it is about Nafisi that provoked the anger you described, and I must say your comments don’t quite get me there.
I’ve admittedly read and loved Nafisi’s book, and bear all the potential bias that entails. Yet, I wonder if there’s not a greater bias against her from Iranians because of the mere fact that she’s criticized the culture and the regime – and paints a less than flattering picture of Iran to the outside world. I’m sure that life in Iran isn’t all horror and repression all of the time. But still, the anger toward people like Nafisi seems misplaced because, periods of relative calm notwithstanding, there really are civil rights problems in Iran.
Stating that the veil is a “fact of life,” for instance, doesn’t mean there are no problems with it, and shouldn’t preclude people from discussing it. And what of the disappearance of political protesters, the morality police patrolling the streets, the differing legal status of men and women – are these issues that no one should be talking about? Or perhaps, as Iranians may see it, issues that Iranians shouldn’t be talking about to non-Iranians? In any case, it does seem a bit questionable to direct so much anger at someone who’s discussing real, not imagined, problems with her country. But I want to understand, not to presume, so I hope you will respond and explain this a bit further.
In that vein, I also wonder what your reaction (or popular Iranian reaction, and I know they’re not the same thing) to the book “Lipstick Jihad” has been. Are you familiar with the book? Last I checked, it hadn’t been published in Iran, but have people been talking about it anyway, and what have they been saying?
Phil
OB- of those you mentioned, I have only read two of Marjane Satrapi’s comic-style Persepolis strips. Especially the first volume, I found quite sympathetic. Her problems were quite real, but even she was not immune from exaggertaing: in the era she was talking about getting admitted to university , the “ideological interview” had long been defunct. However, the general tone of the books was not hypocritical, I felt. As you can imagine, the books are not published/ distributed here, and I read them by accident, when an international colleague offered them to me. Same for Lipstick Jihad, and I haven’t heard any comments on that. Nafisi is sort of an exception, receiving popular discussions here as she had worked and taught in Iranian university until several yrs ago, and so she is known to a smallish band of people.
Opposition to Hijab: Valid. Every single woman I know, except the religious ones, hate it. The hatred however has not spilled over into their professional life, or stopped them from leading one. That is part of my point. Of course the hijab issue is important. But in face of other choices (your job, studying, being with your family) it is simply not that important.
Getting out of your professional job in your native country because of workplace quarrels, and then
claiming it was due to lack of academic liberty/freedom of speech: Not valid
Claiming fashionable lies (e.g. not being allowed to read Lolita) about your country which are sure to gain you material benefits in your present country of asylum: Not valid
political disappearences, morality police thugs, floggings, stonings: NOT VALID!!!!! Of course! And again that is part of my problem with Ms. Nafisi!
However, there is one thing which you have correctly sensed about Iranians -in general- and I suppose I am not immune: we have become over-sensitive to criticisms by “outsiders”. It is a pride/ego thing. It is so depressing, but everytime a human rights discussion flares up, some lefty intellectual or two is sure to yell: But it’s the same in the so-called developed countries! What about human rights abuses by Americans? What about Belgian pedophiles? What about German cannibals? blah blah
I think this is the result of the fact that the western media has portrayed an unrealistic, too-grim picture of the lives of of “ordinary”, non-blogger Iranians, (aided by the likes of Ms. Nafisi), and we are suffering from a need to keep saying, no, it is honestly not that bad!
And the tragic irony is that now, it IS becoming that bad!
Phil: don’t understimated the amount of anger we can have. It’s not as if being angry with Nafisi, we don’t have any to spare for the others! We can be angry with a lot of people, on a wide spectrum of affairs…
This is educational.
Interesting comments from Shiva. I read Nafisi’s book and have to say I was much moved by it. I did not take it as a diatribe against the culture or citizens of Iran but against its ideological government. The atmosphere of the university in her book resembled that of a university in the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany, with literature being interpreted in accordance with the party line, literature given good or bad marks according to its ideological purity. If the University of Tehran is not like that, that is good news. The last news that made it here about the universities was President Ahmadinejad calling for liberal and secular lecturers to be removed (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/5316634.stm). As for Dabashi’s comments, some of his frothing rage seems to be that of the academic who sees another academic having a popular success without being published in all the right places using the right jargon – no doubt C S Lewis and J R R Tolkein’s Oxford colleagues were equally cross with them.
Thanks, Shiva.
Yes, about one of the reasons for Dabashi’s rage. He calls Nafisi an elitist at one point, but also repeatedly sneers at her (putative) complete lack of scholarly credentials. He looks a tad foolish doing both, it seems to me.
Shiva:
Well, thank you for the very informative and honest post above. I completely understand your point about the hijab issue being one priority among others, and the need to balance criticism of it against more basic needs. Well said.
But there’s still something bothering me about the Nafisi matter, and some of the issues it touches on. There seems to be an assumption that Nafisi is presenting a distorted model of Iran to a Western world all too willing to receive such a model, and is materially benefitting in the process. There seems to be corrolary assumption that Nafisi really left her teaching position due to purely professional/personal squabbles, and later blamed things on the repressive Iranian culture or regime.
You have very commendably admitted to some degree of bias against those who criticize Iranian culture to non-Iranian audiences – something I had noticed in Iranian political discourse before. This bias may lead you to the assumptions mentioned above, and I think these require some clarification. First, the fact that someone has a motivation for saying something, or materially benefits from saying it, does not invalidate the truth of what they say. Truth statements ultimately have to be evaluated on their own terms. And in that regard, what is the evidence that Nafisi left her position for purely professional reasons, and distorted facts in order to reach a Western audience? And when you say that talk of floggings, political disappearances, etc. is “not valid,” do you mean to say that these things don’t really happen?
Now of course, the things I consider “assumnptions” on your part may well have a strong basis in fact of which I am unaware. In any case, do please continue the discussion to clarify these issues a bit further.
Regards,
Phil
Phil:
Thank you for coolly summarizing what I was saying.
The assumptions I have regarding Ms. Nafisi’s career in the University of Allameh Tabatabai in Tehran (as distinct from the holier-than-thou University of Tehran) is based on discussions I had with students of Ms. Nafisi, who knew her personally from the early-mid nineties and had classes with her- even before RLT was out. It maybe that those students failed to get the grades the wanted from her and where dissing her out of spite, but I don’t thin.k so. I was not one her students myself. Also later discussions after reading the book accidentally (like Satrapi above) with a couple of my female colleagues. None of us appreciated it. I’m just offering you our opinion here, our take on her, not whether we are right or not. In regrards to distorting facts, I can tell you that classic texts with erotic themes were in fact studied as part of the Eng Lit courses, and there were discussions going in in classrooms, even dare I say it, mentioning the word “penis” with a stright face, in a class of mixed students. This was in class studying ng Saul /bellow’s Herzog. That is why I feel she has distorted facts claiming she had to go underground to teach Lolita
You misread me- I did not say talk of floggings was invaild! completely the opposite, I said the flogging etc was NOT VALID- there is absolutely no apologetics for it. Not even lefty intellectuals try to do so. They just don’t talk about it.
As for the atmosphere in Iranian univeristies- I don’t really know, as I graduated some yrs ago. It wasnt intolerable then, certainly not nazi-style. But as you rightly mentioned in reference to Mr. Ahmadinejad, and as I noted in my comment about the tragic irony, it is not getting any better.
OB- when I said I haven’t read, I wasnt thinking of your linx- which how I even got to hear of these people. If you won’t hate me for saying so, I cant help feeling somehow that they are not really relevant to present-day Iran. But I am looking at them from behind the glass.
Shiva
Shiva
“You misread me- I did not say talk of floggings was invaild! completely the opposite, I said the flogging etc was NOT VALID- there is absolutely no apologetics for it. Not even lefty intellectuals try to do so. They just don’t talk about it.”
Ah, I see what you were saying now. The context somehow made me think that your string of “valids” or “not valids” was referring to things Nafisi had said – hence the confusion. Thanks for the clarification.
Very interesting about the lit classes. If they were able to mention the word “penis” in a class of mixed students without giggling or fear of censure, the class seems considerably superior to American lit classes!
Thanks again for your perspective.
Phil
Oh, I see – I’m glad you asked, Phil, and that you clarified, Shiva, because I misunderstood in the same way – I thought it was Nafisi you were saying was not valid on the subject of stonings. I wanted to ask for more but was wary of scraping at wounds, so said nothing.
One thing about Nafisi…”That is why I feel she has distorted facts claiming she had to go underground to teach Lolita”
Does she really claim that? Maybe she does! I’m not sure – it’s only the first few pages I’ve re-read recently (and my memory is worthless). But my impression of what she says is that she left the university because she no longer enjoyed teaching there, that it was difficult (but not that it was impossible), and that then she elected to have this group. She doesn’t say (at least at the beginning) she had to go underground in order to teach these books.
I have reservations about the book myself, though they’re more stylistic than substantive. But I could perfectly well see someone raising reasonable, civil objections. But Dabashi’s are the opposite of reasonable or civil, and much of the time he just plain makes claims that are not correct. What he basically does is go from what is arguably the effect of her book (increased hostility to Iran; a case for some sort of intervention in Iran; etc) to claims that she is deliberately helping the Bush admin. The guy who interviews him in Znet calls him on that and he says no he’s not, he has no idea, he’s not interested, yak yak, then in a couple of paragraphs he forgets and starts making the claims again. It’s very smeary, nasty, unfair, rabid stuff.
“If you won’t hate me for saying so, I cant help feeling somehow that they are not really relevant to present-day Iran.”
No, I don’t hate you for saying so in the least; in fact I agree. I posted the links because they’re relevant to the present-day US, really. I find Dabashi interesting (in a horrible way) because of what he reveals about US academic life, rather than because of what he reveals about Iran.
“One thing about Nafisi…”That is why I feel she has distorted facts claiming she had to go underground to teach Lolita”
“Does she really claim that? Maybe she does! I’m not sure…”
I’m not sure, either. It’s also been some time since I’ve read the book, but I recall her generally conveying that conditions may not have been all that favorable toward discussing these works in the university, or that it was generally difficult for Iranian WOMEN to have more in-depth discussions of literature among themselves without men present, and/or that ideological concerns were beginning to at least unofficially constrict the kinds of attention paid to Western literature. Recent events seem to bear out the last point, since there seem to be signs of more official ideological encroachments on university learning.
Of course the larger point, as I remember it, is that these works of Western literature did indeed have relevance to the lives of Iranians, ideological and cultural differences notwithstanding. It’s odd that so many of the criticims of the book don’t even address this point.
That said, I’d be interested in reading a detailed and cogent criticism of Nafisi – the kind that Dabashi has NOT written.
Phil
I’m sure there is something. For one thing there just would be, with such a visible book; for another, as I mentioned, I have a faint memory of seeing something like what Shiva says – something about skeptical colleagues in Iran, or similar.
I’ll have to look…
Well, you can find a few items by searching ‘Nafisi’ here – including this long review by Cynthia Ozick
http://www.tnr.com/docprint.mhtml?i=20030721&s=ozick072103
but perhaps nothing terribly critical. Keep looking…
There’s interesting stuff on the Talk page about her entry at Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Azar_Nafisi
And the Chronicle article said Wikipedia linked to the Dabashi article and interview, but they’re both gone now. Wik. says this in instructions: “Controversial material of any kind that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous.” Some of what Dabashi said did strike me as potentially libelous.
Here – here’s a detailed and cogent criticism, that talks about the absence of Iranian literature –
http://www.complete-review.com/reviews/nabokovv/lolita6.htm
Scroll down for the review.