When the Morning Stars Sang Together
I like this item of Julian’s, too. He asks what is meant by ‘being religious’.
Yet logos and mythos do not exhaust the meanings of religiosity. There is a third sense, one which I believe is more important and more widely held. This is the idea of having a religious attitude. Attitudes are…deeply important to how we live, for they determine our entire orientation to the world around us. Among the primary religious attitudes are those of awe, reverence, gratitude and humility. What each have in common is that they capture a sense that there is something greater than us, which commands us, and which we cannot control. And it is the perceived absence of these attitudes in atheism that lends it the reputation for arrogance. Yet although religion arguably allows for a more natural expression of these attitudes, they are compatible with even the most naturalistic cosmology.
Indeed. Although I think it’s fair to say that the reason atheism is widely thought to lack those attitudes is that the atheist versions are not personal, are not about an agent or a loved mega-person, and as such, are considered too thin, too impoverished, too abstract, cold, unemotional – unloving, perhaps. I can see why theists would think that – but I think it’s wrong. Just for one thing, I think that view underestimates the intensity of the love it’s possible to have for places, for landscapes, for nature, for the world or the cosmos. They should read some Wordsworth: that might enlighten them. Or Proust. Or they could listen to Gene Sparling’s account of finding the Ivory Bill. No thinness in any of those.
A theist, for example, has a clear object for their feeling of gratitude: the creator God. But an atheist can clearly have a sense of their own good fortune and an understanding that any period of prosperity may be impermanent. Likewise, a theist feels awe and reverence for “creation”, yet as even the atheist Richard Dawkins has described in his Unweaving the Rainbow, almost identical emotional responses to the natural world can be shared by materialist scientists.
Exactly. That’s why I quoted a bit of Unweaving the Rainbow to end Why Truth Matters –
To accuse science of robbing life of the warmth that makes it worth living is so preposterously mistaken, so diametrically opposed to my own feelings and those of most working scientists, I am almost driven to the despair of which I am wrongly suspected…The feeling of awed wonder that science can give us is one of the highest experiences of which the human psyche is capable. It is a deep aesthetic passion to rank with the finest that music and poetry can deliver.
Along with something Matt Ridley said at Spiked:
The one thing I would try to teach the world about science is that science is not a catalogue of facts, but a search for new mysteries. Science increases the store of wonder and mystery in the world; it does not erode it. The myth, started by the Romantic poets, that science gets rid of mysteries was well nailed by Albert Einstein – whose thought experiments about relativity are far more otherworldly, elusive, thrilling and baffling than anything dreamt up by poets. Isaac Newton showed us the mysteries of deep space, Charles Darwin showed us the mysteries of deep time, and Francis Crick and James D Watson showed us the mysteries of deep encoding. To get rid of those insights would be to reduce the world’s stock of awe.
There you go. We do awe.
The religiously inclined need not worry that science will take away their mysteries. To sit in passive awe before the mystery of lightning or the stars is to miss out on the far greater mysteries science reveals when it engages with the universe.
Brothers and sisters, we ain’t running out of mysteries anytime soon.
Yes, it can be harder to relate to an impersonal narrative than to a personal one. For a lot of people, “that violates the categorical imperative” would carry less punch than “the boss won’t like that”. And having a figurehead, even a mythical one, must help with building a group identity.
And then on the matter of love, of course you can feel love for the world, or for some part of it, but alas, it can’t love us back or keep an eye on us, in the way that a god could. (Although it’s a pretty rotten relationship when he never returns your calls.)
But awe at nature is easy. It baffles me that anyone can think that evolution isn’t a more amazing creation story than the crude Biblical myth: “Zap – birds! Kapow – fish! And sir, if you’ll just lend me your rib for a moment, I guarantee you won’t be going home tonight empty-handed…”
And another thing (slipping deftly into pub bore mode). If gaining some understanding of how the world works diminishes one’s sense of wonder, then surely reading the approved holy texts would do just that.
No, what understanding will bring is less inclination to swallow what the authorities say, and – at least at first – it will wrench away the comfort blanket. Reasons for the suppliers and the consumers of religion to resist it. Alas.
“but alas, it can’t love us back or keep an eye on us, in the way that a god could.”
Yes – but the thing about that is (and I seriously never quite understand why this doesn’t play a bigger role) that neither can it hate us back or keep an eye on us in order to squash us or eat us or give us horrible diseases. I really don’t quite get why theists don’t find god at least as scary as it is lovable.
I actually had rather a mixed reaction to Julian’s piece, and this discussion focuses on why. So I’ll vent.
I’ve thought a lot about why atheists are perceived as arrogant, ever since a friend first accused me of arrogance when I was 20. Genuinely upset by the accusation, I asked him about it, and I’ve asked probing questions every time a similar accusation has arisen since then. And it turns out that the very fact that I dare not to believe in God, that I have the sheer gall and presumption to think for myself instead of accepting whatever religious bilge my culture has tried to feed me, is always in itself sufficient for the accusation of arrogance.
Julian is making a particular point, and a good one, about any thinking unbeliever’s capacity for feeling awe before the sheer scope of nature, for feeling gratitude towards no particular being but just gratitude for being alive, etc. But I do not believe that the real cause for the believers’ accusation of arrogance is the unbelievers’ perceived lack of “awe, reverence, gratitude and humility.” Rather, questioning authority in the first place is automatically grounds for the judgement of arrogance, no matter what attitudes accompany the questioning.
Critical thinking is itself the crime of which any and every freethinker is guilty in the eyes of the believer. Dawkins, I think, can appear arrogant even in the eyes of non-believers for reasons that have nothing to do with his atheism. So when I think of the injustice of the accusation of arrogance, I think of Carl Sagan instead. I cannot think of another freethinker who more consistently and persuasively conveyed the awe and wonder and humility of seeing the world through the eyes of a scientist: Watch Cosmos and you see reverence and humility before the vast grandeur of the universe in every episode.
And the believers called him arrogant anyway. People who claim to know all the whats and whys of the entire universe, its beginning and its end and the reasons for both, and base that belief on nothing but someone else’s words and their own emotional conviction as to the truth of those words, call Carl Sagan arrogant.
So now whenever I am in any way accused of arrogance by a religious believer, I have only two words in reply. “Fuck you!”
I really don’t quite get why theists don’t find god at least as scary as it is lovable.
Tolkien, Lewis, and Williams are often mentioned together as if they were all the same kind of writer. But they are quite different, and the only one who gives the reader a parlous universe and, very possibly, a parlous [second sense, obsolete] god is Charles Williams.
Great punch line, G! I laughed really hard.
Yeah, I think you’re probably right. It’s the old Montaignesque fideist or pretend-fideist line: human reason is so puny, so puffed-up, so laughable – therefore believe the Church.
‘It’s the old Montaignesque fideist or pretend-fideist line’
See what I mean about ignorance? Thanks to the wonder of the internet in about a quarter of an hour I will have worked out what that means.
OK. I give up. What is a Montaignesque fideist? I hope it doesn’t involve dissing Montaigne, the first real philosopher I stumbled across.
Well I did kind of explain what it means! That’s what the colon is meant to indicate.
But I hope you had fun exploring the specifics. Montaigne is interesting…
‘That’s what the colon is meant to indicate.’
What? Ophelia, I genuinely have no idea what Montaignesque fideist means. I see now that Montaignesque is a word in common use. I had never previously known that. But none of the links give any kind of coherent definition.
Any kind of clarification other than referring to punctuation would be welcome.
Oh, sorry, Don – that was a cross-post. I wasn’t ignoring your question, I posted at the same time you did and didn’t see it.
Clarification to follow.
Monty was a radical skeptic, and the conclusion he either drew or pretended to draw from his radical skepticism was that since human reason is so weak and fallible and we can’t know anything, we should just obey the church. Scholars disagree over whether he meant it straightforwardly or meant it as the safest policy – the best way to survive at a time of religious civil war.
And that doesn’t at all involve dissing Montaigne! I love the bastard.
Fideism, by the way, maintains that religious belief is faith rather than reason; strong fideism means faith is contrary to reason; weak fideism that reason can join faith, but faith is primary.
Thanks. I shall revisit the essays. Haven’t read them in years.
Ah – do then. One should never let too much time pass without reading some Montaigne.
I recommend Cruelty, Coaches, Cannibals, in particular.
Anyone who thinks you need to be religious to feel awe and wonder should read this review;
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18970
It reflects exactly Dawkins’ point about the beauty of scientific discovery
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