Hypocrisy on the hoof
Dembski seems to be losing it. Or maybe he always has been, but regular observers seem to think he’s getting worse. There’s the whole fart joke, which we’re too dignified to discuss. But there’s also a little matter of really pathetic hypocrisy. To wit:
From December 18:
Since Richard Dawkins thinks he has the right to reprint my letters to him by posting them over the Internet (go here), I’ll assume the same privilege applies to me.
That’s (in the technical sense) bullshit. That ‘Since’ is misleading, as is the clause it introduces. That makes it sound as if Dembski wouldn’t dream of publishing or posting other people’s emails to him, except that Dawkins posted one of his so now the rule is overthrown. That is brazenly, shamelessly misleading. Dembski himself posted the emails of a third party, emails that were not to him, without permission, last February. You may remember. I did some comments on the matter here. Michael Ruse emailed Daniel Dennett, there was a short exchange, then Ruse sent the whole exchange to Dembski, who promptly posted all of it on Uncommon Descent. As far as observers knew, Dembski didn’t have permission to post the exchange, but at the time we didn’t actually know that. However, I later emailed all three parties in order to pin down the facts for a news feature for TPM, so I no longer have to say ‘As far as I know…’ Ruse admitted (cheerfully and unrepentently) that he hadn’t asked Dennett for permission to send the exchange to Dembski, Dennett told me he hadn’t given anyone permission to send or post it, and Dembski…Ah well, Dembski now. Maybe there was an email breakdown. Twice. Or maybe not. At any rate, I asked Dembski, twice, why he hadn’t asked Dennett for permission to publish his emails to Ruse, and I got no reply. Maybe my emails never reached Dembski. Or maybe his never reached me. Or maybe he just didn’t reply. If so, why? Well…especially in the light of what he says about Dawkins in that post…probably because he knows perfectly well it’s at the very least not good manners to publish someone else’s emails on the internet without permission. It’s doubly not good manners when the emails in question are not even addressed to oneself but are addressed to a third party. If I email Sally and Sally emails me and then sends our correspondence to Jane, Jane has a damn nerve if she then publishes the exchange on her website without damn well asking me first. So unless in fact there was a surprise double email failure, it seems reasonable to think that Dembski didn’t reply to my two emails asking him why he published Dennett’s emails to Ruse without permission because he couldn’t think of anything to say. What could he say? ‘Because I’m so rude’? ‘Because I wanted to’? ‘Because I’m a Christian so all’s fair’? ‘Because Dennett’s an atheist and that pisses me off so I don’t have to be polite’? ‘I forgot’?
Well, whatever the reason, that’s what happened. He published the exchange, on his website, without asking the other party to the exchange. I thought that was remarkably unpleasant behavior, and I said so at the time. Now here he is bleating about Dawkins publishing emails that Dembski sent (unsolicited, just as Ruse’s to Dennett were) to Dawkins. There’s no third party involved, so Dembski committed a much grosser violation of etiquette himself less than a year ago, yet he has the nerve to complain now. He did it again yesterday:
Richard Dawkins continues to publish my past emails to him without permission and I continue to return the favor.
Without permission. Does he. He publishes your past emails to him; you published Dennett’s emails not to you but to someone else, without permission, yet now you kick up a fuss.
The guy has no shame.
It was a bit unnerving recently to see that he apparently reads B&W. I hope he read the comments about him and felt very hot around the face.
OB, I’m afraid you most likely put hammer to head-of-nail with significant force when you suggested that to good ol’ Billy D., anything’s fine since he’s empowered by Jayzuss.
I’m sure he’d be quite down with the Moslem (of one sort or other, sorry I can’t remember exactly which sect(s)) doctrine of not having to be entirely straight with unbelievers.
Still, at least Prof Dawkins has nothing to fear from any “Shock! Horror!” revelations of emails he may have sent…Dembski’s, on the other hand, would merely serve to further his reputation as (increasingly desperate) irrational-apologist-in-chief.
:-)
One small question, though – why didn’t you just dig out his phone number and try getting in touch more directly? Or does he keep that sort of personal info highly classified?
Was he still at Baylor then? He’s certainly listed now at the website of Southwestern Baptist Dogma Dispensary (,sorry, “Theological Seminary”, my bad…), as part of the school of theology. They helpfully give his extension number as 4435. Main campus phone is given as (817) 923-1921. Don’t know if that’s of any use…?
Anyone who has the barefaced effrontery to keep an ID website going after the demolition job done by the Dover judge is obviously not going to be bothered by a small matter of etiquette.
Look back at our comments then; we were glad the judge did the right thing, but none of us thought the IDers would give up. Was it here that I recently read that they’re now spending much more time in labs and trying to get papers published, precisely because that was where they fell down so hopelessly in the Dover trial? They’re already planning for the next round and have no intention of being thrown out of court so easily again. I daresay the Jones judgement, for all Dembski is trying to portray it as string-pulling or plagiarism, is probably the internally acknowledged blueprint for “Wedge II.”
Creationism to ID to whatever comes next, with legal verdicts as selection pressure – that’s real memetic evolution in practice for you.
Was it here that I recently read that they’re now spending much more time in labs
There as several articles on this in the last New Scientist (or maybe the one before).
Lots of people (should) read B&W.
I can’t be bothered even reading and/or responding to this on account of the atrocious font and layout. Forget who wrote this rubbish, who the hell did the page and paragraph layout… you should just give up and go home.
Huh…?
I can’t be bothered even reading and/or responding to this
So why did you?
Was he referring to Dembski’s site?
Yes, and he tripped and fell and accidentally commented here instead. A tiny Xmas miracle.