Theism, Dogmatism, Puritanism
A long review-article on books on atheism by Ronald Aronson. It starts with Alister McGrath’s Twilight of Atheism.
Just like the postmodernist claim that modernity is over, the retrospective stance implied by terms like twilight is the book’s main idea and does double duty as a weapon in the battle against atheism. The “rise and fall” metaphors are tools of a brilliantly clever religious writer against the movement he seeks to undermine…But for the most part he argues broadly that the rational argument between religion and atheism can never be resolved, comments on the rise of interest in spirituality and the growth of Pentecostalism, and brings out as uncontested fact the postmodern verdict on modernity, grafting it onto his case against atheism…A more self-conscious theology professor might have explored the paradox of a proclaimed “reinvented” Christianity in league with postmodernism, at least to consider the potential conflicts between the two worldviews on issues of authority and truth.
We’ve seen this ploy so many times – postmodernism used to argue against rationality and for traditional authority-based ‘revealed’ truth or for irrational and anti-rational leaps of faith and the will to believe. It’s as Simon Blackburn said –
Today’s relativists, persuading themselves that all opinions enjoy the same standing in the light of reason, take it as a green light to believe what they like with as much conviction and force as they like. So while ancient scepticism was the sworn opponent of dogmatism, today dogmatisms feed and flourish on the desecrated corpse of reason.
Relativists of that stripe often wrap themselves in the flag of postmodernism to do it.
Aronson finds Sam Harris’ book far too dogmatic, and much prefers Atheism: A Very Short Introduction by some guy named Julian Baggini.
Baggini’s excellent little book is intended not as an attack on religion but to give a positive explanation of a word, atheism…In a highly accessible style, Baggini (who writes for The Guardian and is editor of The Philosophers’ Magazine) covers what have become familiar themes…His final chapter is a masterpiece in trying to understand the impulse behind religion, the inevitable gulf between believers and nonbelievers, and the fact that since both will continue to share the world for a long time to come, the wisest path to coexistence is through genuine openness and the willingness to be proven wrong.
Then Aronson discusses Erik J. Wielenberg’s Value and Virtue in a Godless Universe and Daniel Harbour’s An Intelligent Person’s Guide to Atheism. Jerry S reviewed Daniel Harbour’s book for the New Humanist a few years ago – I’d link to the review but it’s not online.
Wielenberg’s carefully developed main argument is that a moral framework totally dependent on God’s will “is not a moral framework at all.” Plato’s Euthyphro provides the key question: Does God endorse acts that are already moral or do these become moral because God commands them? Even among Christians, he points out, morality turns out to be objective and independent—it is “part of the furniture of the universe” and does not require God to make it right.
We’ve discussed that idea here a few times.
Harbour’s recently reissued Guide to Atheism aspires to show the intellectual and practical superiority of a secular, scientific worldview to a religious one. At stake is not simply the question “Does God exist?” but rather “the whole worldview to which we subscribe.”…The first worldview he considers, based on the scientific paradigm of rational inquiry, operates by constant “reexamination, reevaluation and rejection” of its assumptions and results, which continually must prove themselves, while the second introduces starting points that are elaborate and are not subject to question or testing. Religion falls under the second category because “all attempts to explain observations about the nature of the world must be consistent with, or subservient to, the unrevisable starting assumptions.”
That’s one reason it’s hard for people like me to be as undogmatic and tolerant as Aronson thinks we should be. It’s because of the unrevisable starting assumptions and the resulting chronic imbalance in arguments between (dogmatic) theists and atheists. The claims to know what they can’t know, the special pleading, the shifting back and forth between claims that God is supernatural and ineffable so shut up and claims that they know all about this God so shut up – the having it both ways, the heads I win tails you lose, the certainty, the cheating. There are undogmatic theists…but they seem to be getting scarcer and scarcer.
The Vicar of Putney thinks Salman Rushdie is too dogmatic.
But more important still, the novel has the rare capacity to nudge us out of our ideological trenches into a more sympathetic engagement with the moral universe of those we consider the enemy.
Maybe so. But sympathetic engagement is one thing, and agreement is another. The overall import of the vicar’s article seems to be disagreement with Rushdie’s opinion itself. Well, he’s a vicar and Rushdie is an atheist. Rushdie could write a novel engaging with his moral universe, but that doesn’t require him to agree with its unrevisable starting assumptions, and nor does it require him to be a novelist and nothing else. He can be a novelist and a polemicist, or essayist, or pamphleteer, or campaigner, or all those. He can do both – lots of people do. The vicar talks as if Rushdie is betraying the novel or his work as a novelist by doing both.
The tragedy is that Rushdie the novelist has increasingly been overtaken by his public crusading. The vocation of the novelist is to pluralism. That’s why the novel is sacred. Unfortunately, it’s a sanctity in which Rushdie now seems to have lost his faith.
Well, maybe that’s the problem right there. Being a vicar, he thinks in terms of sacred and sanctity. That’s a narrowing, limiting, simplifying way to think. If the novel is ‘sacred’ then it mustn’t be polluted by profane things like articles – then the novelist must be pure, and unadulterated, and one thing only. Puritanism, in short. People who think in terms of purity and pollution can be very dangerous, and even at the best they are simple-minded.
Norm talks about the vick here and here, where he cites that Simon Blackburn quotation.
One of the conclusions of post-modernism, whether you agree with it or not, is that you can know nothing. Too many people take this to mean you might as well believe in anything.
Putney vicar also said,
The novel is a sacred space where all voices need to be heard. Which is why he [Rushdie] proposed that even “the most secular of authors ought to be capable of presenting a sympathetic portrait of a devout believer”. This is something Rushdie now seems increasingly incapable of achieving.
I wrote to ask him if he had read Rushdie’s latest, Shalimar the Clown, in which (apparently – I haven’t read it) he presents a very sympathetic portrait of a devout believer.
The vicar didn’t reply.
G
Precisely – there are no gods. So why agnostic rather than atheist? Because someone might prove there are gods? You don’t really think that, do you?
The possibility of proving that Gods exist is no cause for agnosticism. All good science is falsifiable, but that’s no reason not to believe it true.
“There are no gods” seems to this agnostic to be too definitive, too certain. I’m not sure I could ever go that far. I will certainly, however, maintain my skepticism about the protestations and holy books of the world’s various fakirs, priests, shamans, popes, and evangelists.
‘There are no gods’ may be too certain. Who knows, maybe the whole universe is merely a bit of pocket fluff in the pocket of a minor deity. But one can always ask, ‘what reason is there to think there is a god, especially an omnipotent omniscient benevolent one?’
Thank you folks ….
The whole point is that the “No god is detectable” thing puts the onus on the believers.
Let them get out of it, rather than us trying to have to prove a negative.
they have to prove a positive – which I don’t think they can do ….
Just so – it’s the onus of proof (or at least of reason or reasons) thing, or what I keep calling the default position. The default position should not be belief in a deity, with non-believers expected to explain themselves; it should be the other way around. The default position is related to Ockham’s razor, I think. Why believe positive factual assertions if they seem implausible? A benevolent omnipotent omniscient deity seems pretty implausible – to put it mildly. So it’s not the people who decline to believe in it who should be explaining themselves.
OB, to believers the absence of a creator seems implausible. This is the basis of Alvin Platinga’s reformed epistemology. With all deserved respect, one of the flaws of B&W is that it tries to skirt the battlegrounds of philosophy. It is not wise to talk about fashionable nonsense unless one is willing to give a careful definition of sense. Perhaps you would like to put such a definition on B&W?
I specified a benevolent omnipotent omniscient deity. I think belief in that is far more implausible on the face of it than non-belief is. If it’s not, by all means explain why.
Even without taking into account certain specified characteristics, there is a distance that separates “to me this picture would make more sense if it included…” from “I notice in this pictúre evidence of…”
Non-recognition that this distance exists or failure to understand that its existence has very real implications for the real world is one of the things that makes communication with the other side so damned frustrating.
Anyone trying to argue that “there is” something should not be starting from the default position “there’s gotta be” something. But they don’t seem to understand that none of their arguments can be taken seriously till they get past step one: giving a satisfactory answer to the question “why couldn’t there be bugger-all?” There being “bugger-all” seems the most reasonable starting position of which I can conceive and I’ll be the first to concede it should be modified the moment evidence warranting that should emerge and be verified.
Well, I would certainly agree with you all that there is no plausible evidence for a BENEVOLENT, omniscient deity.
Christianity has never answered the dilemna of evil very well-and the world and the way it works certainly doesn’t show much evidence of benevolence or omnisicence. And no, I don’t buy the argument that Eve munching that darn apple “caused” all the trauma-because our loving father set up the failure from the beginning (at least, he did if he is omniscient).
Nope. the only theistic world view that makes any sense at all is the old dualistic Cathar heresy, with Jehovah as a deranged, fallen incompetent falling into a creating physical creation as an act of confused rage. Not that such a world view has any proof or can be proven in any way…but please, please allow me my silly comfort that there MAY be a benevolent God outside creation :) Jehovah is certainly not he.
Yes, the Cathar/Manicahean/gnostic heresy is a lot more convincing than the idea that Jahweh is a nice guy.
The question ‘why couldn’t there be bugger-all?’ is all the more pertinent given that the creator/designer answer doesn’t answer at all but simply raises the obvious next question: who created the creator? So believers who think a creator is more plausible still don’t get to claim the default position.
Getting back to the vicar, and his Guardian article.. Did anyone notice that the same issue of the Guardian carried an in-depth (very sympathetic)profile of Gore Vidal, who is – guess what – a novelist who takes political positions. Not a word of criticism in that article about how this might demean his writing, etc. Couldn’t be because he tends to attack the American government rather than Islam, could it? Good old Guardian.
Incidentally, I’ve always been a fan of Vidal’s novels, though not his politics, but still – double standards or what?
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Jehovah is certainly not he.
Brian Miller
Some think that there might somewhere be a yet unfound equivalent; ‘god’ is not a name but an occupation – ethereal king of the universe – why should we expect there to be such a one when none so far proves any more plausible than another?
Well, the Catharsget even more “touchy feelie” about the existence of their Divine Principle Outside Creation than Christians. Those who somehow “just know” or can “just experience the Divine Wisdom” can experience the ineffable Divine Force. Those of a more skeptical cast are s.o.l, I’m afraid.
At least the Cathar God doesn’t burn us in a Lake of Fire, like Loving Jehovah does. We jsut keep getgting more chances-kinda Buddhist thing, in some ways?
Note that I’m sure this is a gross simplifaction or distortion of Gnostic theology, but…