PEN
PEN’s Open Letter is quite interesting, I think.
Although we applaud the government’s wish to make everyone in our multi-cultural, multi-faith nation feel that they have an equal stake in Britain, the proposed amendment to the bill is misguided. It is emphatically not the way forward. It creates a climate which engenders events such as the recent Sikh riot in Birmingham. Here a violent mob, on the grounds that a play offended their religion, successfully prevented its performance, acted as censors, and threatened the life of its author. Fiona MacTaggart, the Home Office Minister, has contended that the remit of the proposed legislation is narrow. However, the signal the offence clause sends out to religious leaders is broad. It serves as a sanction for censorship of a kind which would constrain writers and impoverish our cultural life. Rather than averting intolerance, ‘it would’, as the Southall Black Sisters have pointed out, ‘encourage the culture of intolerance that already exists in all religions’. To gag criticism is to encourage abuse of power within religious communities.
There. It creates a climate, it sends a signal, it serves as a sanction, it would encourage a culture of intolerance. Just so. Of course, that’s all fairly subjunctive, fairly conditional, fairly subtle. It’s an interpretation, an extrapolation, an educated surmise, rather than 3 + 3=6. It’s about other minds, and why people do what they do, and groupthink, and hidden influences. But then so is the clause itself, and so is politics. Mathematical certainty isn’t a requirement or a possibility for legislation, so it can’t be required for opposition to legislation either. And surely the surmise is plausible. Does it not seem likely that the proposed criminalization of ‘religious hatred’ is interpreted by many religious people not as Fiona MacTaggart interprets it but more broadly – as encouragement to get in a temper at anything that ‘offends’ their sensibilities?
Finally, as writers of many faiths and none, we must emphasize that if religious leaders had their way, we would have little literature, less art and no humour. The religious can be quick to take offence. The Papal Index makes salutary reading: it has banned every great offender from Voltaire to Flaubert to James Joyce. On their side, some Jews have objected to Philip Roth and to Joseph Heller; while some Muslim clerics have been so severely offended by the fictions of Salman Rushdie and the Egyptian writer, Naguib Mahfouz, as to issue fatwas against them – much to the distress of other Muslims. Now some British Sikhs have succeeded in censoring the play Behzti and forcing Gurpreet Kaur Bhatti into hiding.
The religious can be quick to take offense. Yeah. You could say that.
The new legislation encourages rather than combats intolerance. We do not need it. What we need is a signal from government that it wishes to defend true democracy and its many virtues, including those of dissent and the freedom of expression. If the government feels more legislation is essential in this area, then it would achieve more of its ends by repealing the law on blasphemy, a relic of pre-multicultural times. Less, here, is more.
Well said. Go, PEN. The response of the Home Office is not very encouraging though.
A Home Office spokesman said: “Both Fiona Mactaggart and the home secretary understand the concerns some groups feel about this legislation and are happy to have meetings to discuss these and reassure them.”
Oh how sweet. As if those ‘some groups’ were whiny little children afraid of the dark. I don’t think Salman Rushdie and Lisa Appignanesi want to be ‘reassured’ – I think they want the Home Office people to take on board what the writers and PEN are saying. I don’t think ‘There, there, everything will be all right’ is precisely what they’re after.
I think it would be useful if the Home Office were to publish a list of situations, and say whether the act would or wouldn’t apply [according to their legal advisers]. Then we could try to judge what the consequences would be. At the moment we’re just speculating in the dark.
Hmmyeah but that wouldn’t deal with the consequences PEN is talking about. The consequences that have to do with sending signals to religious zealots that they have a right (and maybe a duty) to get bent out of shape whenever someone says something they consider offensive. The Home Office doesn’t want to send those signals, as far as I know, but if those are the ones that people are going to pick up, which is what the PEN letter says (and my guess is that PEN is right), then even if the law is never used to prosecute anyone, it could still have bad consequences.
“Both Fiona Mactaggart and the home secretary understand the concerns some groups feel about this legislation and are happy to have meetings to discuss these and reassure them.”
This is the kind of thing that gets me bent out of shape. It is typical of new labour politicians. They are just too slimy to say ‘We don’t care what you think and we are not going to change our minds because our vainglorious money grubbing arses are in thrall to religious groups’.
We already have examples. Similar legislation in parts of Australia is acknowledged to have lead to an increased polarisation in religious attitudes and a number of spurious and ridiculous legal initiatives. An example is at http://www.secularism.org.uk/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=203&Itemid=1
I’m no sure about this ‘encouraging a culture of intolerance’ argument. I mean, these people have every right to “get bent out of shape whenever someone says something they consider offensive”, but the question is whether they would be able to use the law to do anything about it.
Which is why I’m not very sympathetic to your argument that “Mathematical certainty isn’t a requirement or a possibility for legislation, so it can’t be required for opposition to legislation either.” Because I’d rather we leaned towards mathematical certainty with this legislation and away from the governments ‘oh, it’ll all be alright’ blase attitude.
On the other hand, when it comes in, we’ll have some nutjob calling for prosecutions against every other thing they see on TV (hopefully when the limits are defined, they’ll calm down a bit), but then people will begin to have an entrenched idea that they have a right not to have their religion offended, which is annoying since we’ve spent so long ridding the Christians of it.
“I mean, these people have every right to “get bent out of shape whenever someone says something they consider offensive”, but the question is whether they would be able to use the law to do anything about it.”
Depends on what is meant by “bent out of shape really”. If “bent-out-of-shape” means “get really upset and hurt by”, then yes, they do and should have every right to get bent out of shape. If “bent-out-of-shape” means threats of violance or prosecution then I beg to differ on their right to get “bent-out-of-shape”.
I remember Malcolm Muggeridge getting bent out of shape on t.v. over Life of Brian in 1979, he made a bit of a fool of himself really, a sad demise to a once towering intellect, and the nation pretty much just laughed at him (except the Sunday Express readers).
Perhaps as part of the new Citizenship induction test thingy they should screen young adults for ‘Mugeridgidity’ traces – if tested positive, they get held back a year, with mandatory workshops, on such topics as singing ‘Always Look on the Bright Side of Life’, and proclaiming ‘I’m Not the Messiah, I’m a Very Naughty Boy / Girl (- altogether now!).
Inclusive, eh ? I’m just a one-man think-tank !
“Depends on what is meant by “bent out of shape really”. If “bent-out-of-shape” means “get really upset and hurt by”, then yes, they do and should have every right to get bent out of shape. If “bent-out-of-shape” means threats of violance or prosecution then I beg to differ on their right to get “bent-out-of-shape”.”
But if, by “bent-out-of-shape” we mean threats of violence, we have laws against that sort of thing that would still apply, whatever this new religious hate law says. I have to disagree on their right to threaten prosecution, they can threaten all they like – since they have no power to bring a prosecution – just I have the right to threaten prosecution back (as empty a threat as that is) – lets be glad they didn’t widen slander and libel laws to groups!
“I’m no sure about this ‘encouraging a culture of intolerance’ argument. I mean, these people have every right to “get bent out of shape whenever someone says something they consider offensive”, but the question is whether they would be able to use the law to do anything about it.”
Yes but that’s not the only issue. Sure, people have a right to get bent out of shape about anything and everything, but that doesn’t mean it’s desirable or useful or socially helpful or any number of other hurrah words for them to do so. We’re talking fuzzy world here – not law and imperatives, but persuasion and education and the public realm of opinion, taste, likes and dislikes, living and let living, negotiation, agreement, acceptance, rejection. Think of all sorts of values that have been subject to revision in the last few decades. The revision doesn’t mean that people are forbidden to disagree, or that it’s illegal to disagree; but the people doing the revising think it’s desirable for people in general and for society to revise opinions and attitudes. This is all squishy stuff. So, my point (and what I take to be PEN’s point) is that it’s not desirable for religious people to be even more encouraged than they already are to assume that they ought to be outraged whenever someone ‘disrespects’ something they consider ‘sacred.’ But that’s different from thinking they have no right to feel that way – and ‘right’ could mean more than one thing in that sentence anyway. In one sense I don’t think they have any such right; in another sense I think they do.
“I remember Malcolm Muggeridge getting bent out of shape on t.v. over Life of Brian in 1979”
Wish I’d seen that. I did hear (and see) Michael Palin talk about it here in Seattle a few years ago. With considerable exasperation. He said he doesn’t usually get ratty but that was one time he did. Well good.
OB – absolutley – Palin’s a complete gent, which makes that sound intriguing ! The event was widely talked about – Muggeridge had already upset quite a few lefties when he ditched Marxism in favour being a reactionary old curmugeon in the CofE. …the the satirical comedy team behind Not the Nine O’clock News wrote a pretty amusing sketch about it a couple of weeks later… (‘General Synod’s Life Of Christ’)
There’s some interesting stuff here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_of_Brian:
“On its initial UK release the film was banned by some town councils (several even took great pleasure in banning it, even though they had no cinemas within their boundaries). This proved rather pointless, since people who wanted to see the film merely went to places where it wasn’t banned. The film was also banned for eight years in the Republic of Ireland and for a year in Norway (it was marketed in Sweden as “the movie that is so funny it was banned in Norway!”). The film was not released in Italy until 1990, eleven years after it was made.
Accusations of blasphemous ideas also centred on an off-the-cuff comment by Eric Idle who, asked about the name of the Pythons’ forthcoming feature, replied “Jesus Christ: Lust for Glory”.
What a team…
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