Disagreements
A follow-up of sorts to my colleague’s Comment on Crooked Timber. Bush’s monopoly seems to be broken for the moment; the Timberites are discussing Beslan and Islamophobia and Islamophobiaphobia. Somewhat heatedly, as a matter of fact.
There is a thread on ‘Al Qaeda in Beslan?’ for instance, and another on the horror itself which kicked up an interesting comment by Dsquared:
I think that ‘Islamism’ is a politically convenient but fictional construct drawn up by people who want to drag their own pet Middle Eastern issue into the fight against Al-Quaeda.
Ah. Fictional construct. Really. Do the people in, say, Algeria, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Turkey, etc etc, who are damn well terrified of Islamists, think ‘Islamism’ is a fictional construct? I don’t think so. Didn’t Islamists in fact kill one or two people in Algeria? Don’t Islamists want to impose Sharia everywhere they can? Is that a fictional construct? It doesn’t seem particularly fictional to me. Once again I have to wonder why some people think it’s in any way progressive or respectful to side with an intensely reactionary, regressive, coercive, anti-egalitarian movment, against its progressive, secular, egalitarian, rights-defending opponents.
So then Chris posted on Yusuf al-Qaradawi – and the fur started to fly.
Harry of Harry’s Place says what I would have said if he hadn’t (except I probably wouldn’t have said it as well):
If Juan Cole says it then it must be ok to criticise al-Qaradawi now? It appears that for Chris everyone else who pointed out al -Qaradawi’s reactionary views on a whole range of issues at the time of the British visit had some other agenda which nullified the value of the information they put forward.
Just so. Then Dsquared answered:
To put it bluntly (without presuming to speak for Chris) yes. Juan Cole has a very good record as a straight-shooter in these matters. At the time of Qaradawi visit to London, it seemed quite likely that he was a loon, which is why you’ll find no ringing endorsement of him on CT, but the claque screaming for him to be denounced from the rooftops seemed so bloody appalling (and was so chock full of people who had axes to grind and seemed unconcerned about distorting the truth while grinding them) that I for one was reluctant to join it. It strikes me that this is an entirely sensible approach to subjects where one doesn’t have much knowledge; to trust the judgement of those who have proved trustworthy in the past, and ignore those who haven’t, however loud they scream.
Then Harry answered that:
Well that is simply pathetic Dan. I have read multiple sources on al-Qaradawi, including the original source material of his fatwas (easily avaliable in English on his own Islamonline website). It was not at all difficult to make ones mind up about what kind of views he held. But you have to wait for an endorsment from some American academic before you can make a judgement. Pathetic but not at all surprising.
And so on – but you can read it yourself, obviously. It’s just that I’m naturally interested, because this difference of opinion is very like the one we had over Marc Mulholland’s post a few weeks ago, here, here, here, here, here, and here. People do disagree about this. Strongly. I wish people who hesitate to criticize the likes of al-Qaradawi were more aware of groups like the ones I linked to in connection with the demo today, and the one that issued that Manifesto. I wish they would side with groups like that – groups that are for equality for women and secularism, and against homophobia and anti-Semitism – rather than with groups like Fans of al-Qaradawi. I wish they would wake up and realize what it is they’re supporting, in short.
I’m really puzzled by your post, Ophelia. Who, exactly, sided with “groups like Fans of al-Qaradawi”? No-one I know, that’s for sure. My post on the subject implicitly acknowledged that those who had taken a strong line against him had been right to do so and at the same time explained why I’d felt reluctant about joining in at the time. I suppose I could have left that bit out, but, hey, I wouldn’t want anyone to get the idea that I think I’ve got “a monopoly of virtue and omniscience”. Maybe I’ll be more circumspect about explaining myself in the future.
With respect, I don’t think that this difference of opinion is about anything like the one over Mulholland’s post. This one strikes me as a purely epistemic matter: when is it reasonable to trust another person’s testimony on a matter? The Mulholland one was about whether the utterance of true statements about a religion could be unjustifiably (note, unjustifiably) disrespectful to the adherents of that religion, notwithstanding the truth of those very utterances. Completely different issues (or so it seems to me).
Chris,
To put it bluntly, Dsquared. In the comment on Islamism, especially, which may influence how I read his comments on al-Qaradawi.
No, don’t be more circumspect. (Well I mean do if you want to, but – er – not on my account, as they say.) Part of the point of my post was that there is a lot of real disagreement about this stuff, which is a kind of acknowledgement of the epistemic issue. Only, I wonder if this one really can be purely epistemic? The considerations in play are political as well as epistemic. “when is it reasonable to trust another person’s testimony on a matter?” I wish I knew! But isn’t part of the reason we don’t know, in this case for instance, political rather than something else? It’s not that the answers are hidden in an archive or lost in someone’s attic or buried under permafrost. That which hides and occludes what we want to know is the matter of the political motivations of the people we’re not sure we ought to trust – isn’t it?
So that’s why the two issues do seem to me to be less than completely different. Those political motivations we don’t want to trust are probably the same ones that would make people be disrespectful to adherents of a religion – aren’t they? Aren’t we worrying about giving aid and comfort to racists, the BNP, and the like, in both cases?