Wasting One’s Breath
What a chump I am. I’ve frittered away a lot of time and energy on a discussion board, arguing with someone who disagrees with my ‘Science and Religion’ In Focus article but can’t come up with a convincing argument. Sigh. Same old bollocks. Atheism is a belief, theism and atheism are exact equivalents, you’re defining evidence too narrowly, I can’t prove god is there just as I can’t prove I love someone, blah blah blah. Can’t they do better than that? Well no, of course they can’t, that’s the whole point. Can’t come up with better arguments and can’t see how lame their own are, apparently. Right, I’ll just give us a quotation or two by way of refreshment.
I am all in favor of a dialogue between science and religion, but not a constructive dialogue. One of the great achievements of science has been, if not to make it impossible for intelligent people to be religious, then at least to make it possible for them not to be religious. We should not retreat from this accomplishment. [Steven Weinberg, ‘A Designer Universe?’]
Let there be no doubt that as they are currently practiced, there is no common ground between science and religion…The claims of science rely on experimental verification, while the claims of religion rely on faith. These approaches are irreconcilable approaches to knowing, which ensures an eternity of debate wherever and whenever the two camps meet. [Neil deGrasse Tyson, ‘Holy Wars: An Astrophysicist Ponders the God Question’]
Much as I sometimes share your frustrations, I really think that it is a mistake to let your experience of a few irrationalist theists overly colour your view. There are some more sensible theists out there. Honest.
BTW – can I ask which discussion board you were on?
True, there are. The more modest ones, who are willing to admit that their personal convictions and feelings are not the same thing as evidence.
Sure, you can ask. I didn’t bother saying partly because I assume most people aren’t all that interested in discussion boards (in fact, many people think they’re a nightmare!) and partly because it’s a board that one has to subscribe to even to read – it’s free, but still a nuisance if one only wants to take a look. It’s Utne Cafe.
http://cafe.utne.com
Yeah. I’m not sure I like to subscribe just to read it.
Have you thought about a B&W discussion board?
No, not really. Discussion boards are so time-consuming.