The patriarchy is always other people
Graham Linehan hosts a scorching retort by Victoria Smith to Rebecca Solnit’s smug glib mess of a Guardian open letter, starting from an essay of Solnit’s about male violence.
On this, you are totally right. Male violence is a global outrage. Why, then, have you written a piece which dismisses women’s fears as “really weird”, writes off actual occurrences of male violence as “lurid what-ifs”, euphemistically characterises sexual assault as “unpleasantness”, tells women which male people they’re allowed to be wary of (the ones who aren’t your mates) and accuses women of “posing a threat” if they are insufficiently accommodating? Do you have any idea what you sound like?
But of course, Victoria goes on, Solnit would say she’s not talking about people who are male, she’s talking about this much more sophisticated thing “because “science has gotten smarter in the decades since [the 1970s] and we now know it’s a complex interplay of chromosomes, hormones, primary and secondary sexual characteristics and other stuff”” blah blah blah.
Let me be clear: even if you can bodge together a sort-of argument to defend it, it’s disgraceful to tell a subset of female rape victims that their experiences don’t constitute male violence, that, on the contrary, they don’t constitute experiences at all, just “lurid what-ifs”. Disgraceful, too, to suggest that domestic abuse victims who require female-only shelters just haven’t understood that “complexity and fluidity can be a blessing”. Truly, what was your thinking here? That if these women hadn’t spent drab childhoods in Nowheresville but had spent more time in “the loudest, proudest queer town around”, they wouldn’t have become such bigots? Are you sure it’s your superior open-mindedness, and not your privilege, that’s talking here?
What I’m seeing here is not a challenge to patriarchal thought. On the contrary, you’re supporting its endless repackaging. Don’t you realise that those of us who grew up beneath the shadow of domestic abuse, however “traditional” its presentation, rarely thought this was what was happening to us? The patriarchy is always other people, hence the ease with which you tell other women which male people they’re permitted to fear (not your friends, just everyone else’s).
We always want to make exceptions for our friends, Victoria goes on, which is why Harvey Weinstein got away with it for so long.
You know perfectly well, as The Longest War shows, that in condemning male violence we do not condemn all male people. This does not mean that we should pick out subsets of the male sex class – priests, respectable family men, friends of Rebecca Solnit — and grant them a free pass.
Another such subset: men who say they are women, men who say they identify as women, men who say they have a woman’s brain in a man’s body, men who say they have the soul of a woman.
You do know better than this. You just don’t want to because it would cost you too much in terms of social standing amongst your peers, who’ll cheer as you point the finger at the easy targets – the far-right politicians, the Christian fundamentalists, the incels – but start screaming bigot the moment you question whether male socialisation and entitlement lurks amongst them, too. Honestly, you, me and every feminist on Earth could have a lovely communal rant about what an evil patriarch Trump is, but some of us will still have to go home to allies who beat the crap out of us, and to violence which you insist requires no definition, no political context, no words at all. This thinking – this strategic ignorance – is what patriarchy depends upon. Without it the whole thing would fall apart.
A scorcher. Read the whole thing.
Accepting this has to start somewhere else to begin with. In order to accept this pile of dogmatic statements, one must accept that (1) there is such a thing as a woman’s brain and a woman’s soul, and (2) that it is categorically different than a man’s brain or a man’s soul, and (3) that we can tell the difference.
Since I have yet to find any evidence that convinces me of any of those prerequisites to accepting trans ideology,. I cannot accept the claims of the trans lobby.
At one time, people such as PZ would have questioned those assumptions, as well. Some of the loudest deniers that women have a categorically different brain than men have become some of the loudest proponents of the idea that it is possible to have a woman’s brain in a man’s body. (If you do, the woman it belongs to would appreciate if you gave it back, and no, I won’t say please.)
And this is the point where “trans-inclusive feminism is the only real feminism” breaks down. Radical Feminism, whether you agree with it or not, has a coherent story. A patriarchal society arises out of sex-based oppression. Because females are physically weaker and bear children, males have historically sought to control their labor and the means of reproduction through systematic methods of subordination. Got it.
What’s the Liberal Feminism storyline? People who behave in feminine ways are oppressed by people who behave in masculine ways? Why? And what are these ways? Can you identify out of oppression? Where does the “feminism” part come in? Isn’t this more like “let everyone be themselves?”
Oh, snap.
@iknklast;
Here’s an interesting question to ask transgender people:
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Assume you had been born in a society in which “masculine” and “feminine” were completely flipped. Women were supposed to be strong, brave, rational, and so forth, while men were seen as softer, gentler, and frilly.
Would you still identify as transgender? Or would you have been comfortable with the “sex assigned at birth?”
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I mean, even in this hypothetical I’d be a woman because of my reproductive system pathways. Cultural expectations and presentations are irrelevant. If “gender identity” is supposed to be a neurological component of the brain, though, there’s got to be a “mismatch” between you and what the world expects.
iknklast @ 1 –
I think the chronology is the other way around. I think they start with the dogmatic statements and then reverse-engineer all that crap about gendered brains and souls to make it fit.
Yes, I think that’s the problem. They do that, but we are unable to get past one, not to mention two and three. It’s like Jesus – you have to already believe for the story to make sense. If you don’t believe, no amount of repeating “Jesus is love” (transwomen are women) or “Jesus saves” (transwomen are women) will make any difference.
Like the proselytizers on my porch trying to sell me a bill of goods using a book I don’t believe in, the trans activists are trying to use their conclusion to get us to accept their conclusion. They got the answer before the question, and that leads to convoluted thinking.
And to replacing thinking with empty formulaic assertions. It even worked on Rebecca Solnit.
And there it is: Rebecca Solnit, apologist for rape culture. As long as it’s her friends doing the raping, you have to shut up about it.
How, exactly, is that different from what administrators do when they cover up for a football team, or evangelists do when they shun “Jezebels” at a church?
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Papito, I think it’s more like when a priest/pastor/minister/rabbi/imam is accused of sexual misconduct, and the church members circle the wagon and abuse the accuser.
I once accused JT of that; he was quick to jump on the slightest allegation of abuse by Catholic priests, but the moment a prominent atheist was accused, he was “pics or it didn’t happen”. (And I notice he only elevated claims of Catholic priests abusing boys, though there is ample evidence that girls are at least as much at risk, and maybe even more girls are abused, but it’s hard to track if no one wants to talk about them. Gotta take care of the boys.)
Iknklast, yes, JT was very prone to selective categorisation/analysis of behaviour. It’s an easy trap to fall into and one we forget at our peril.
Easy to understand from JT’s perspective of course. A man abusing boys is squicky, but girls it’s just natural and besides they probably asked for it and liked it. /s
JT?
JT Eberhardt. WWJTD.
This is where trying to persuade others breaks down. Not buying it because they haven’t done their homework.
CLICK! I love it when insights crystalize while reading people who’ve thought things out and expressed them much better than I can. It’s one of the reasons I really enjoy comong here! Thank you Ophelia, for hosting this platform of sanity. (And snark).
Yes, so much like religion, and the genderists claim to be the up-to-date, cutting edge scientific ones! They certainly throw a lot of “science-y” things into the mix, (clown fish, people with DSDs, the complicated and intricate pathways of sexual development, etc.) none of which overturn the fact that humans cannot change sex.
Phil Plait, too: https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/gywfar/phil_plait_destroys_joke_rowling_with_facts_and/
Those who wield the Bible (or Koran, or whatever) as proof of their favoured deity have started, as noted above, at the conclusion. In order to convince a disinterested observer, they would have to prove that gods actually exist as a class of being, that their own god is one of this class (and for the monotheists, there’s the extra step that there are no other members of this class), that such being(s) had any causal role in the origins of the universe….and, much further down the list, that such beings use the printed page to communicate their wishes to a recently evolved species of primate. That would be a long time on the doorstep. If onlty trans activism limited itself to door-to-door campaigning! Trans ideologues are making exactly the same sorts of logical leaps over the many uncomfortable, unevidenced claims in their own non-arguments. This is why they depend upon institutional capture, bullying and shaming to advance their agenda.
Always a pleasure not Bruce!
And…Phil Plait?? siiiiiiiigh