I begin to sense a pattern
From March 2016: Omer Aziz had an experience with Sam Harris.
In December 2015 he had published an essay in Salon on the book by Harris and Maajid Nawaz on reforming Islam.
I argued that the book was a simplistic and unoriginal take on a complex topic, more of a friendly conversation than any kind of serious analysis. The piece concluded by lamenting the erosion of public debate, as intellectuals of previous eras have been replaced by profiteers more interested in advancing narrow agendas than in exploring difficult questions.
The piece got Harris’s attention, and he publicly reached out to me on Twitter to invite me on his podcast to “discuss these issues.”
He accepted happily, but it then became apparent that Harris didn’t want a debate but something more like an interrogation; no prizes for guessing which of the two would do the interrogating.
As he wrote in one email:
I’d like you to just read [your piece], line by line, and I’ll stop you at various points so that we can discuss specific issues.
This was a bizarre and rather creepy way to structure our conversation. Think of how awkward it would be to read your writing in front of a critic who had empowered himself to stop, critique, and rebuke you whenever he wanted, with thousands of people listening.
And then add that the critic would be Sam Harris.
I replied to Harris and noted the absurdity of his invitation:
I really hope you were not literally intending for me to come on and read my essay on your podcast with you stopping me every other sentence as if I was in some kind of deposition or trial. This would be a totally fruitless conversation.
Instead, I proposed an alternative approach: We should each pick a few topics—reforming Islam, radical jihadists, holy war, etc—and have a debate around each one, alternating between who would kick things off.
Something like a normal conversation, in other words.
Harris rejected that offer and firmly reiterated demand to be judge, jury, and prosecutor.
He wrote back:
I want us to move back and forth between the text of your essay, my response to it as a reader/listener, and your response to my response. It remains to be seen whether this will produce and interesting/useful conversation or a “fruitless” one. But I’m pretty sure no one has ever attempted something like this before.
So this is how I want us to approach the podcast—with you reading what you wrote and our stopping to talk about each point, wherever relevant. Again, you can say anything you want in this context, and I won’t edit you (though if our exchange truly is “fruitless,” as well as boring, I reserve the right not to air it).
The nerve of the guy is really staggering.
In light of his preemptively imposed restrictions, I requested the right to make my own recording of our conversation and suggested that instead of reciting all 2,800 words of an essay easily retrievable online, Harris should pick the most objectionable parts of the piece and we should structure a conversation around these paragraphs to keep the discussion moving.
Once again, Harris flatly refused:
I want to hold you accountable for every word in your essay. You took the time to write it, and nearly every sentence exemplifies what is wrong with our public conversation on these topics. Is the fact that you appear reluctant to stand behind your work “highly revealing”? I’ll let you decide. But there’s nothing about the format I propose that would prevent us from talking for ten minutes at a stretch on any specific topic, or digressing upon others.
I would have been long gone by that point, but Aziz felt it was his Socratic duty to say yes, so he did.
Journalist and attorney friends of mine were stunned at Harris’s brazen stacking of the deck. For someone who spends so much time sermonizing about free inquiry, here was Harris deliberately stifling debate, and in a rather disturbing manner at that.
But I would not give Harris the unmerited pleasure of boasting about the writer who criticized him in print and then ducked a real exchange, as I suspected he would if I turned down his invitation. Rejecting his offer would have contradicted both my personality and my principles: I had been bred on a Socratic diet of books and dialectic—refusing an invitation to discuss important issues and investigate their premises, interrogate their histories, and illuminate their contradictions would have been anathema, even given an invitation as demeaning and one-sided as this one.
Now there I think he’s profoundly wrong. Harris’s conditions were grotesque, especially the one where he gets to throw the recording out if he doesn’t like it, and Aziz gets no say. But he did it, and they went at it for nearly four hours; Aziz thought the result was at a minimum entertaining.
A few weeks later, I was surprised then to find the following email in my inbox:
I just listened to our recorded conversation, and I’m sorry to say that I can’t release it as a podcast. Even if I took the time to edit it, I wouldn’t be doing either of us any favors putting it out there. The conversation fails in every way — but, most crucially, it fails to be interesting.
Better luck next time…
Sam
What a breathtaking asshole.
From this now-suppressed discussion there emerge four distinct themes that, taken independently or collectively, ought to disqualify Harris’s claims to being a serious thinker and philosopher. Let me stipulate these charges in the prosecutorial-style which Harris evidently likes:
- He is a hypocrite who lectures others about the principle of free speech while violating this same principle when it suits his needs.
- He dehumanizes Muslims to such an extreme degree that it verges upon bloodlust.
- He supports aggressively (perhaps regressively) militaristic policies towards the Middle East and Muslim world at-large that put him in the fringe of the Republican Party.
- He has passed himself off as a learned thinker despite being both ignorant of and incurious about the very issues on which he opines.
He’s also self-important, rude, and a general pain in the ass.
“But I’m pretty sure no one has ever attempted something like this before.”
He’s the very model of the “cerebral” subtype of the clinical narcissist. Even though he’s not as cerebral as he believes himself to be (that’s the point in an indirect way).
Not because he was interested in “discussing” the issues. Because Oziz criticized him and basically said he wasn’t a serious intellectual. Because his vanity was wounded.
IOW, what Josh said.
So Aziz got the better of you, eh Sam?
Referring to the conversation he proposed and set the conditions for.
The only thing that bothers me the least bit in this whole exchange is Harris burying the podcast at the end.
Up until then we have Aziz calling Harris’s proposal “bizarre and creepy” and an “absurdity”. Then it all builds to a climax where Harris memory holes the entire thing, so he looks like a complete villain. Yes. Really. He does.
But up until then, what’s wrong? Say I write a piece, Sam Harris takes note of it but disagrees with it, so he wants to debate it? Cool. Oh, a special debate, where I actually read my piece, he stops me and rebuts it, then I get to rebut him? Sounds like a blast! My article is awesome, right? Defending it won’t be a problem. Or, if it is, then maybe it wasn’t so awesome. Either way, let’s find out!
But then he doesn’t release it. What an idiot. Maybe Aziz clearly bested him. If so, I still have no problem with the “creepy” format. The only problem I have is it should have been agreed upon in advance that it was getting released no matter what…
Omer Aziz wrote:
The person who asks the questions ALWAYS sits in the power chair. That Harris for this duel chose not only the weapons, but the time and place for it and then threw in the sponge speaks volumes.
This tale is in the great tradition of knights errant and chivalry: well, candidate class at least, with Omer Aziz the victor by default. But it has echoes from the exploits of the great samurai Miyamoto Musashi, and the duel he fought with Sasaki Kojiro, using a modified oar for a sword.
But I believe Sam still has a great future, if not as a Stalinist interrogator direct from the Lubyanka, then as a neuroscientist. For he has, perhaps unwittingly, identified a condition of the head wherein the component that houses the ego moves in on and captures the regions, tissues, neurones or whatever that are normally devoted to insight into oneself.
Sam is well qualified to bring about a major breakthrough there. Could be one Nobel Prize coming up. Here’s hoping. (Though if it happens, I suspect we will never hear the end of it from Sam.)
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/featured/top-12-wwii-movies.html
Why on earth does this require a live conversation? The text is available – Harris can respond to it, point by point – the fact that it would be directly quoted, in context, from Aziz’s work means Aziz owns it as much as Harris could possibly want. And it can be done at leisure without need to coordinate schedules or suffer dry mouth.
Does Harris get money from podcasts or something?
Harris tries to arrange a showcase for himself, abandoning all sense of what will work. And then he’s surprised that he doesn’t like the result.
Its been almost all downhill since ‘The End of Faith.’
Yeah, yeah, This story about Sam Harris refusing to release the podcast with Omer Aziz is all very interesting and everything. BUT WHAT ABOUT ISLAMPOHOBES BEING DEPLATFORMED ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES!!!!! Why aren’t we talking about that? How can we form a valid opinion on Islam if we can’t hear ALL SIDES OF THE DEBATE? Why are theses voices being silenced? Might the snowflakes find their debating skills are criticized, and revealed not to be up to the standard of intellectuals from the past. Are they afraid they will be revealed as hoping to become profiteers more interested in advancing narrow agendas than in exploring difficult questions when they graduate. Will they… oh, wait. Yeah. Anyway, why aren’t we talking about Charles Murray getting hit by a flying pencil in a skirmish, rather than Sam Harris not publishing a boring podcast?
Stuart @#9:
To oppose the control-freakery of Harris and his attempts to manipulate a debate with a Muslim is not to endorse that Muslim’s Islamic ideology (whatever it may be) or the smokescreen that is ‘Islamophobia’, or pencil-chuckers in college bunfights and brawls, etc.
Because we are talking about this.
[…] I begin to sense a pattern […]
You know I was being ironic, right? I should probably have put my post in quotation marks.
It was meant to be my impersonation of a hypocritical rant by Sam Harris, after he had read the above blog post. I didn’t make that properly clear.
Ah, so. I have fallen into that trap myself. But irony can be blown, or at least desubtleified by use of ;-)
But all the same: Curses! Curses! Curses!
My ignorance on the subject of Sam Harris has been exposed…!
Perhaps I should spend more time at his blog, doing a bit of a trawl. Might turn up a profundity or two
Then again, perhaps not..
Heh heh. Really, Omar – surely the sarcasm was broad enough.
Thanks for the tip on using ;-)
I think it’s unlikely you’d find much profundity from Sam Harris on his blog, but it is sometimes quite a profound experience witnessing the levels of self deception he is capable of.
Ezra Klein’s recent podcast with him really illustrates as much as anyone needs to know about Sam Harris.
There is a good piece by Andrew Sullivan today on the destruction of democracy in Hungary, and a thoroughly bad piece on the exchange between Ezra Klein & Sam Harris, in which he takes the latter’s part and wilfully, it seems to me, misrepresents what the former is saying. Like our Sam, he holds grimly on to an idea of Reason which somehow stands unsullied wholly outside history and the messiness of human life…
OB @#15:
Just as beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so subtlety is in the brain of the besubtled.
Or should that be ‘besubtleified’?
;-)
In reference to the article linked to at #11, this is a wonderful sentence:
“[Harris prefers] to beat the same dead horse relentlessly until it wakes up and apologizes for not seeing matters his way.”
#17
“There is a good piece by Andrew Sullivan today on the destruction of democracy in Hungary, and a thoroughly bad piece on the exchange between Ezra Klein & Sam Harris.”
And then there’s a piece called “In Defense of Stereotypes” where he says of The Simpsons, “More to the point, Apu is funny, in part, because he is a stereotype, and because that stereotype largely rings true.”
Coming after his assertion in the previous paragraphs on the Harris/Klein debate that: “race and gender are openly made central to the project of reporting, of thinking, and of writing. Resisting this tendency is not racist or sexist”- it’s definitely not a good look for him.
“that stereotype largely rings true”
Oh godddddddd
Stuart David, that fits with something I’ve been noticing (in my playwriting group). When women are presented stereotypically, it is “OMG, how do you write women so well?” When men are presented stereotypically (in a negative sense), it is “OMG, you made that man 2 dimensional! You made him a stereotype!”
Stereotypes are a sign of a lazy mind. Murray, Harris, and Sullivan all need to exercise their minds more (or maybe exorcise…)
Is it the men in your writing group who say “OMG, how do you write women so well?”
Very good analysis of the Chomsky-Harris “conversation” on Alternet.
https://www.alternet.org/heres-what-happened-when-professional-atheist-sam-harris-tried-and-failed-embarrass-noam-chomsky
#14 Omar: Shamelessly stolen and adapted from a comment on J&M a few weeks ago: