Visible or Invisible: Growing up Female in a Porn Culture
At a lecture I was giving in a large West Coast university in the Spring of 2008, the female students talked extensively about how much they preferred to have a completely waxed pubic area as it made them feel “clean,” “hot” and “well groomed.” As they excitedly insisted that they themselves chose to have a Brazilian wax, one student let slip that her boyfriend had complained when she decided to give up on waxing. Then there was silence. I asked the student to say more about her boyfriend’s preferences and how she felt about his criticism. As she started to speak other students joined in, only now the conversation took a very different turn. The excitement in the room gave way to a subdued discussion on how some boyfriends had even refused to have sex with non-waxed girlfriends as they “looked gross.” One student told the group how her boyfriend bought her a waxing kit for Valentine’s Day, while yet another sent out an email to his friends joking about his girlfriend’s “hairy beaver.” No, she did not break up with him, she got waxed instead.
Two weeks after the waxing discussion, I was at an East Coast Ivy League school where some female students became increasingly angry. They accused me of denying them free choice in their embrace of our hypersexualized porn culture. As the next generation’s elite women, this idea was especially repugnant because they saw no limits or constraints on them as women. Literally two minutes later, one of the students made a joke about the “trick” that many of them employ as a way to avoid hookup sex. What is this trick? These women purposely don’t shave or wax as they are getting ready to go out that night, so they will feel too embarrassed to participate in hookup sex. As she spoke, I watched as others nodded their heads in agreement. When I asked why they couldn’t just say no to sex, they informed me that once you have a few drinks in you, and are at a party or a bar, it is too hard to say no. I was speechless, not least because they had just been arguing that I had denied them agency in my discussion of porn culture, and yet they saw no contradiction in telling me that they didn’t have the agency to say no to sex. The next day I flew to Utah to give a lecture in a small college, which although not a religious college, had a good percentage of Mormons and Catholics. I told them about the lecture the previous night and asked them if they knew what the trick was. It turns out that trick is everywhere, including Utah.
I tell this story because, on many levels, it neatly captures how the porn culture is affecting young women’s lives. The reality is that women don’t need to look at porn to be profoundly affected by it because images, representations, and messages of porn are now delivered to women via pop culture. Women today are still not major consumers of hard-core porn; they are, however, whether they know or it or not, internalizing porn ideology, an ideology that often masquerades as advice on how to be hot, rebellious, and cool in order to attract and keep a man. An excellent example is genital waxing, which first became popular in porn (not least because it makes the women look pre-pubescent) and then filtered down into women’s media such as Cosmopolitan, a magazine that regularly features stories and tips on what “grooming” methods women should adopt to attract a man. Sex and the City, that hugely successful show with an almost cult following, also used waxing as a storyline. For instance, in the movie, Miranda is chastised by Samantha for “letting herself go” by having pubic hair.
….The Stepford Wife image that drove previous generations of women crazy with their sparkling floors and perfectly orchestrated meals has all but disappeared, and in its place we now have the Stepford Slut; a hypersexualized, young, thin, toned, hairless, technologically, and in many cases surgically-enhanced, woman with a come-hither look on her face. We all recognize the look: slightly parted glossy lips, head tilted to the side, inviting eyes, and a body contorted to give the (presumed male) viewer maximum gazing rights to her body. Harriet Nelson and June Cleaver have morphed into Britney, Rhianna, Beyonce, Paris, Lindsay and so on. They represent images of contemporary idealized femininity – in a word, hot – that are held up for women, especially young women, to emulate. Women today are still held captive by images that ultimately tell lies about women. The biggest lie is that conforming to this hypersexualized image will give women real power in the world, since in a porn culture, our power lies, we are told, not in our ability to shape the institutions that determine our life chances, but in having a hot body that men desire and women envy.
In today’s image-based culture, there is no escaping the image and no respite from its power when it is relentless in its visibility. If you think that I am exaggerating, then flip through a magazine at the supermarket checkout, channel surf, take a drive to look at billboards or watch TV ads. Many of these images are of celebrities – women who have fast become the role models of today. As they grace the pages of People, US Weekly, Entertainment Weekly, and Vanity Fair, they seem to effortlessly pull together the hot look as they walk the red carpet, stroll the aisles of the supermarket or hit the nightclubs of New York and Cannes. With their wealth, designer clothes, expensive homes and flashy lifestyles, these women do seem enviable to girls and young women since they appear to embody a type of power that demands attention and visibility.
… People not immersed in pop culture tend to assume that what we see today is just more of the same stuff that previous generations grew up on. After all, every generation has had its hot and sultry stars who led expensive and wild lives compared to the rest of us. But what is different about today is not only the hypersexualization of the image, but also the degree to which such images have overwhelmed and crowded out any alternative images of being female. Today’s tidal wave of soft-core porn images has normalized the porn star look in everyday culture to such a degree that anything less looks dowdy, prim and downright boring. Today a girl or young woman looking for an alternative to the Britney, Paris, Lindsay look will soon come to the grim realization that the only alternative to looking fuckable is to be invisible.
This is an excerpt from chapter 6 of Gail Dines’s new book, Pornland: How porn has hijacked our sexuality, published by permission.
About the Author
Dr. Gail Dines is a professor of sociology and women’s studies at Wheelock College in Boston, an internationally acclaimed speaker and author, and a feminist activist. Her writing and lectures focus on the hypersexualization of the culture and the ways that porn images filter down into mainstream pop culture.
I hope no one is too bothered by this comment, but to me this story (I can’t guess why this particular extract from Dines’s book was chosen) suggests not that porn is bad but that the young women Dines talked to are pretty dopey.
While it’s true that the influences are different today than in the past, don’t women everywhere appear to feel a pressure to adopt/conform to some standard of beauty? I understood that even in societies which try to choke this off by forcing women into burqas for example, women still feel pressure to be beautiful however they can. Doing an armchair survey of cultural pressures on appearance by looking at eating disorder statistics show that they’re fairly consistent across cultures even though the available media and porn must be very different. Looking back over the years, women wore lead-based makeup which caused skin diseases, bound their feet enough to deform their bones, wore painfully-tight corsets, and used any number of piercings, tattoos, rings and other body modifications. All of this happened well before mass media and porn. I don’t say this to excuse the practice or to say it’s something we should accept gracefully but I do wonder if by attacking porn, media or our immediate culture we are missing something much more fundamental. If we somehow got rid of all of these, I don’t see any reason to think that the pressures would abate but would instead transform and given our past, waxing appears to have the virtue of having no long-term physical damage, unlike other fashions.
In my limited experience, I see men and women doing extraordinary things to look their best and impress the opposite sex. I see men and women pressure themselves and other to fit socially-acceptable standards of appearance and behaviour. Maybe some of that did originate from porn but so what, is it merely the origin which is objectionable or is it something more? It’s good to be aware and to know that we can find different social spheres where this isn’t as important but is there something more that you want to convey?
I’m afraid I’m missing the point. Let’s say we agree with everything you say – what then?
I was stunned by this book excerpt. In my early 50s, single and dating, I thought I was relatively in tune with contemporary culture. I had no idea this is what younger women were dealing with.
I fully enjoyed the sexual liberation of the 70s. But I recall a letter to the editor I wrote about 2 decades ago that was essentially a short version of this excerpt, complaining about an article pressuring women to match a surreal Hooters image of a woman artificially tanned, shaven, etc. in order to be sexy.. but I was referring then to legs and underarms. I had no idea this now extended to the pubic area. I experimented with this once in high school at a boyfriend’s request, but found it so irritating and timeconsuming I swore never to do it again. I can’t believe this is now expected of younger women. Some things are getting worse, not better.
We have to separate what porn is theoretically and ideally, which we liberals have no philosophical objection to, or perhaps even applaud… and what it has become in fact in practice in modern society. It must be examined pragmatically. We should take off our rose-tinted glasses and acknowledge that media technology has given it a persuasiveness, ubiquity and power that is quite simply frightening.
It pushes against us ever harder. We must push back.
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Okay, first of all the list of names she gives:
<i>Harriet Nelson and June Cleaver have morphed into <b>Britney, Rhianna, Beyonce, Paris, Lindsay</b> and so on. </i>
Three out of five of them are pop stars, Lindsay Lohan is essentially a troubled movie star and Paris Hilton is essentially a socialite, who would get pretty much the same reaction if male.
None of those are actually porn stars, and not a single one of them is actually anything new.
They are nothing that hasn’t been around in the music\movie industry since at least the 1920s, and they aren’t even particularly bad on that score.
Madonna anyone? Or how about Marilyn Monroe, whose big break was posing for a titty mag?
And while we are on the subject, how about some actual pornstars like Sylvester fucking Stallone.
Now what pisses me off here is not the whole anti-porn schtick, it is that the whole anti-porn schtick is one big wank about how rotten my generation is. It isn’t anti-male, it isn’t even anti-sex, it is anti anybody under the age of 40.
It is exactly the same thing as the anti-gaming movement, or the anti-comics movement. Even Harry Potter gets the same treatment. The anti-new atheist movement is very much about this too – the idea that the current generation is somehow shit.
Frankly I am sick of being called shit because I was born some time after the 1970s.
Is there disgusting porn? Sure. Some of it may even be popular – but that is like saying because someone wrote the “Left Behind” series, which is chock full of misogyny and outright bigotry, we should ban novels.
Gail Dines is a dangerous, overgeneralizing fanatic against porn. Her conclusions are based on no more than anecdotal evidence and her firm conviction that she is right. She’s as logical and reasonable as the average fundamentalist religionist. I find it disturbing that anyone takes her seriously. Her goal is nothing short of porn prohibition. She apparently cannot distinguish between different types of porn. To her all “porn” is degrading to women and thus bad. I know many feminists and other reasonable individuals who strongly disagree with her stance. Dines will likely do more harm than good due to the extreme position she takes. She seems incapable of appreciating subtlety, and rather, takes an absolutist view of pornography. She comes across as the typical mass-moralizer, thinking that she knows what is best for everyone else based on her own neuroses. As I stated above, her stance is virtually indistinguishable from a religious fanatic, which makes her quite scary.
Out of interest, how isn’t it ultimately degrading given what is is used for? But then you back up that ascertion with your own anecdotal evidence. There’s always the myth of the porn star who just loves sex, or the hooker with the heart of gold.
But then the argument is that porn culture, that is the waxing, has moved into the mainstream and these are “icons” that demonstrate this. It isn’t that there are porn stars that are icons, it’s that the influence and expected behaviour/appearance of women has come from that industry.
C Anders
And she is talking utter bullshit. The music industry always had bands it sold on sex, and the same thing can be said about “name” actresses. There is nothing new about any of those people, and frankly the “Stepford Slut” charge is downright libelous.
Has always sold bands and actresses as such? Not so much, not until they realised the might of the teenage dollar. But then it’s a grey area as to how much “sex” selling is appropriate or indeed degrading. There’s a massive difference with how actresses were portrayed in the 50s and 60s as being “sexy” without egregious flaunting. While in some cases it was shocking at the time, it was on the old mantra of being better left to people’s imaginations.
The difference is the expectation now where it isn’t just suggestion it’s blatant flaunting. Want to get back in the papers? Get out a car without any knickers on, or be “papped” sunbathing, or have some boyfriend sell a private video. The exepectation now is that at some point with any young startlet you’re going to get to see her naked in some form. Those who don’t conform just get hounded by the paps until they’re caught out in some form of undress anyway.
The suspicion is that for many of these young girls some of these mishaps are co-ordinated and organised, someone is advising them that it’s a good career move to have all the grace of a dead octopus while getting out of a car. It’s no longer a case of “sultry”, “sexy”, “alluring” it’s out and out we want upskirt, downblouse, shaven, slips and whatever else, hence the “Stepford Sluts”.
C Anders
That is nothing new. The infamous 1920s case of Clara Bow – her rise was on the back of a movie about sexual attraction and her fall was on the back of the scummiest of paparazzi smear campaigns.
Porn isn’t the cancer that is killing pop, pop is cancer.
The fashions change, just how far the fashions go changes, but sex always sold. There was never a golden era of “Classier” actresses or singers, or for that matter classier viewers.
*round of applause*
Good article. I think one of the points, that makes the author so angry (and this reader too), is that this pube-waxing trend hurts women deeply. Imagine being told by your partner, someone who is supposed to love or at least really like you, that the most intimate part of your body isn’t good enough and it needs to be changed. That it is in fact ‘gross’ and they don’t want to touch it, don’t want to touch *you* because it is so disgusting. It is not ‘dopey’ to comply with said partner’s demand when they are refusing to touch you, or constantly making comments and pressuring, or buying you a pube-removal kit as a token of their love for you (unless you think being bullied makes you a dope). It’s not ‘dopey’ to comply with what has simply become an expectation of young women in many countries now, like armpit-shaving or wearing makeup.
It is this sense of expectation and entitlement among some straight men that makes me and many other women angry. Twenty or thirty years ago men didn’t give a crap about women’s pubes, and now many do, suddenly – they want the latest model of fembot and anything else is an insult to them. To the point where they would blackmail and pressure their girlfriends into doing something they clearly wouldn’t do otherwise (it burns, it itches, and might I add you’re ripping hairs off your most sensitive bits?).
What kind of person does this? Where does this sense of entitlement come from for some men and why is it more important than respecting their partner’s decisions about their own body? It seems to me fair enough to posit porn as a major influencing factor in this trend. Where else is women’s genitalia so completely on display to be looked at and judged, where else would boys and men get the idea that hairless vulvas are attractive and desirable and ‘hot’? Where else would boys even *see* a hairless vulva on an adult woman? Where else would they get the message that they deserve a ‘hot’ woman for themselves?
Nobody is saying, least of all the author, that all young people are shit or that all men are shit. Some young people, some young men, reject porn and reject these ridiculous female beauty standards. But it is completely fair enough to be angry when our society tells women that their bits are not good enough when there is absolutely nothing wrong with them, and it’s completely fair enough to direct some of that anger at an industry whose main purpose is to distribute unrealistic images of women’s sexual organs for the pleasure of men.
Oh, stop whinging on about societal standards of attractiveness. Everyone deals with them. Want to be attractive? Then shave your legs and underarms if you’re a woman, shave your face and wax your back if you’re a man, dress according to modern fashion and in clean clothes, wear deodorant, get regular haircuts, maintain dental hygiene, clip your finger and toe-nails, eliminate pimples, stay within a specific weight-to-height range, get circumcised if you’re a man, speak with proper elocution, trim or shave your, trim or shave your pubes if you’re a woman, …
Really. That’s the way culturally shaped concepts work. If you don’t like a particular standard, well, that’s fair and nice and all, but to call it injurious or misogynist/misandrist is seriously stupid.
Amy,
20 years ago, some men cared about different things. Not all, just like not all men care about it today and of course not all women care to comply. 100 years ago, fashion was different and women did different things to attract men, and 100 years before that it was something different again. I gave a few examples from lead-based makeup, whalebone corsets, foot binding, piercings, losing weight (or, at some times, gaining weight!), or even tattoos.
Directing your anger at porn is as unrealistic as it is confused. Porn may be the source of some current fads but so what, if it wasn’t that it would be something else. Looking at other societies & cultures should tell us that this is something deep within humans and blaming porn or the media (or worse, men) is misguided and counter-productive. They may be the source or the vector of some fads but they’re definitely not the cause and without understanding the cause, you’ll never be able to effect change.
In all this talk about how women (typically young women) are working to gain social acceptance, why aren’t we even mentioning how young men adapt? How many try to impress women by making money in dangerous, manual labour and lose limbs or get killed? How many take steroids, die in car accidents, or do nothing but feel unworthy because they can’t fit in? In some cultures they will perform feats of strength and bravery, sometimes dying in the process. Why not even a brief mention that everyone – women AND men – go to great lengths to win social acceptance? Oh right, because they’re boys and are worth less and because we can’t blame porn for their failings. Or is it because young men are still men so their feelings of insecurity, uncertainty and fear are worth less than those of women?
By all means write books about the experience of one gender. Life is too complex to talk about everything and women often get the short end of the stick but by ignoring the simple fact that peer pressures aren’t restricted to women and aren’t restricted to any one society, we will make the same elementary blunder that Dines does.
Can I write even a single sentence without turning it into a question?
Dang, gotta fix that!
It certainly sounds like a worrying trend, but it seems to me that problem is not so much porn as such, but exactly the same issue as Muslim girls face, when forced to wear veils.
Some women certainly enjoy using porn* as well, and I see no problem in that. In my limited experience many prefer gay (male) porn, because they there can see the man being dominated and penetrated (in one genre). One of the most popular fetishes (after bondage) is pegging, and even before that term was coined, there was a series of videos on the theme Bend Over Boyfriend.
So, in my not at all humble opinion, the problem is not porn, but the sad fact that even today women are made to feel they need to conform. So more education, information and empowerment is called for. And preferably less hating on teh pr0nzorz, please.
* Editor refuses to work: http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/SavageLove?oid=4555806
@#7
Define Pornography, then we can start a discussion on how it can or can’t be degrading.
Well now you’ve just made a claim, that no porn star or prostitute has ever willingly chosen their profession, without any evidence.
Interesting. I’m twenty-five years old and sexually active in California, and I seem to get by just fine with not just hairy pubes but hairy armpits (also hairy legs, but they don’t count because the hair is blond and invisible). I’m lucky enough to have a feminist boyfriend at the moment, but that hasn’t always been the case. So maybe it’s just that the problem hasn’t yet spread everywhere — and I certainly hope it doesn’t, and would encourage women to resist pressure to change in that way.
I’m a fan of interesting written pornography — does Gail Dines want to ban that, too, or is she only interested in banning images of women? Actually, I have to admit, there are a lot of images of men out there that I like looking at, too. Either way, I don’t think banning pornography is useful or indeed possible. If men are making women feel bad about their vulvas, that’s a bad thing that we can try to combat by promoting the idea that any man churlish enough to demand hairlessness isn’t worth the bother, and by trying to make women more comfortable with their own genitals. We could even try to combat it by promoting more realistic porn.
I wouldn’t call a woman stupid or a sellout for giving in to pressure. The desire for sex is a powerful thing, and rejection hurts. If you’re being rejected for a single reason, sure, you’re going to think about changing. It’s not surprising and it’s not silly.
Many a better man than me has tried. As poor as the standard is, I know it when I see it. The same way I know what is erotica, I know what is pornography. It’s poor, it’s a cop out, it’s the best we can do.
Yes, but first I made a claim that you stated the orignal point was weakened by personal anecdotes, which you proved by a personal anecdote. My own personal experience is based upon one sad 6 months a young journalist to be stuck in a hotel where the nearest place to get a drink happened to be both a strip club and an “escort” bar. At the start in conversations every girl was a “student” who “loved” sex and just wanted some “play money”, but once they knew me it was a different tale. Every single one of them would have gladly chosen any other career if they felt there was any other option available to them.
Then there’s my work with charity groups and those “escorts with a heart of gold” who were promised a great life, but end up doing tricks for drunken, horny guys who think half an hour with them does no harm, because they love it really, she told me so.
Pornography, not erotica, not “sexy”, satisfies one group and for one reason. It’s the same reason there are prostitutes. It may be justified as natural for blokes, but in my experience, no woman has gone into it unless there is no other choice.
But that’s a different argument to this chapter. We can get offended as men that this anti-porn, anti-titty is anti-men, but get outside and see the actual impact of this world. What the article is discussing is the normalisation of porn, the impact of the readily available free porn and how this is affecting society and young girls.
<blockquote>Every single one of them would have gladly chosen any other career if they felt there was any other option available to them.</blockquote>
There are probably all kinds of women in porn and prostitution but let’s say all prostitutes would leave if they could. Fact is there are men and women throughout the world that are in jobs they would leave if they could. There are even men and women that are starving because they can’t even find these miserable jobs. It seems sexist to focus just on the problems women have in their jobs, and if wikipedia is right and women in porn can easily earn 100-250k/year, it seems hard to shed many tears for them.
I’m sure that when we leave the world of expensive escorts and well-paid porn stars and get into the world of street walkers and cheap, exploitive porn we’ll see something very different. But seriously, isn’t this and issue of how poverty affects our lives and not of porn? People take these jobs not because of societal pressure or some other crap but because they’re poor, desperate and this offers a quick buck. Put the blame where it belongs.
If the porn actor or actress is performing these acts willingly (which is true in most cases, despite propaganda to the contrary), then there is no degradation. If the porn performers do not feel degraded, then it’s absurd to claim that they did or should have felt degraded. Nudity and sex are not degrading except in (the rare) cases where the performer has been forced.
Yes, I did provide anecdotal evidence (” I know many feminists and other reasonable individuals who strongly disagree with her stance”) to make the point that there are intelligent, well-educated, non-bigoted, freethinking individuals, both women and men, who strongly disagree with Dines position. As I have no experimental data, I offered anecdotes. I assume that Dines uses anecdotes because she also has no scientific, experimental data to back up her assertions.
Some porn stars – indeed many people – really do like to have sex, and they get paid for it. The ideal job is one in which the employee really enjoys their job and is paid well for it. A career in porn appears to meet these requirements for someone who enjoys having lots of sex (and has, perhaps, some exhibitionist tendencies). : )
Porn is not evil or wrong or the end of moral culture. In fact, real studies have concluded that areas where porn is easily obtainable have lower rates of rape and other sexual crimes. Of course porn is now easily available everywhere via the internet. It will be interesting to see if this has a positive or negative effect on sex crimes. If it’s not already being studied, it should be. People like Gail Dines repeatedly make uninformed or ill-informed proclamations on porn.
It would be refreshing to see the world’s best-ever explanatory device – science – being applied to pornography and its social, sexual, and moral (a loaded term, I agree) implications in order to get some empirical facts about these issues. It would provide useful information and would squelch much of the emotion-based reactionary-ism on the subject.
Which is why I think the whole thing about how porn is bad for society is less about porn than trying to paint my generation as being particularly bad. I remember Dines when she was talking about D’Amato’s study into rape stats and porn – where he pointed out that rape stats had decreased.
It was at that point I knew I was reading someone who doesn’t give a fuck about “the harms of porn.” I lost every bit of respect for her right then, right there.
How terrible! To think, that young man would never have treated his girlfriend poorly, had not been for that awful porn.
Women hooking up with jerks must have been invented in the 1970’s as a direct result of the porn industry. Thank you Dr. Dines!
I really can’t stand the argument that a woman who shaves her pubes looks pre-pubescent, and that is why guys like it. It makes as much sense as saying a man who shaves his face looks pre-pubescent, and women who like that must like young boys. An adult woman (or man) with a shaved body looks nothing like a child.
Shaving for cosmetic or cleanliness reasons has also existed as far back as history has existed.
In my experience, it’s other women who expect women (and, increasingly, men as well) to be hairless. To be brutally frank, most men typically couldn’t care less one way or the other, as long as there’s sex involved. When my wife jumped on the bandwagon and I asked why, she said because all her girlfriends told her it’s “more hip,” and that I didn’t have a say in it anyway (which is true). I nodded, and replied that it should be OK for me to leave the hair on my chest, in that case. Cosmopolitan and Sex in the City are not porn trickle-down — they’re perfect examples of the “with it” girls telling the “less-popular” girls what to do.
What does it mean then that the men in the pornagraphy also remove their pubic hair?
This plastic “porn” culture has also lead to the current trans trends now affecting young women. Girls who are choosing transition in order to escape their limited female role by becoming “men”.
Pez,
It means men have the power of male privilege that whether they are covered in hair or not, fat, bald, have huge breast and balls down to their knee caps doesnt affect their sense of self, agency or potency.
Lynn,
Where is the evidence that:
1) There is a quantifiable “trans trend affecting young women,” and
2) That “‘plastic’ porn culture” is the cause?
If you have no evidence (real evidence, not anecdotes), then your statement is simply a meaningless, baseless assertion.
Pez,
I’m not exactly sure what is behind the removal of pubic hair by both men and women in porn, but I’d guess that hygiene and concern over STD’s have something to do with it. And in the case of men, it also makes their penises appear larger.
I am a father of two daughters 8 & 11. Therefore I am deeply concerned about these issues.
Simultaneously I am a man; I happen to watch porn. My preferred source is an amateur site where couples of all ages (let me clarify: 20-60 years) submit videos of themselves.
It seems to me that due to the internet, the prevalence of camcorders, web cams and mobile phones, porn has come in to everyday life to a hugely greater extent than 20 years ago.
The availability of these images, especially to developing males, causes a feedback loop whereby what was once considered unusual (to whatever degree) becomes expected.
Therefore, at the less extreme end, men expect women to have trimmed/waxed/shaved pussies. (Does anybody mind that word? I think it’s the most appreciative.)
The next step has been the normalisation of anal sex. This, I would contend, a significant number of women enjoy. However plenty others do not, and find that it has become expected of them.
Further steps that have already come to pass include the expectation on the part of men that women should be prepared to be photographed or photograph themselves in the knowledge that the majority of such images will become public (if you’re lucky anonymously).
I could discuss each of these in more detail. However the problems are as follows:
1. The primary beneficiary of these changes is the male; the woman I would suggest loses more than she gains.
2. These things are now mainstream. On balance each is a step in the wrong direction.
3. The major problem is that once the extreme has become usual you then need a new extreme. Therefore expect to see more of the following: gagging, ass to mouth, group sex, bukake (multiple men ejaculating on a woman’s face).
Gagging is an excellent example of the misogynistic effect of the porn industry. It involves the male inserting his penis fully into the woman’s mouth and leaving it there until she chokes.
I wonder if any of the commenters above would say that this sounds just fine, and that they don’t mind that their daughters will be expected to submit to this by the young men currently being ‘educated’ by the internet?
[On the subject of male shaving, I believe it began in the porn industry because it increases the apparent size of a man’s penis. However, I doubt that there are men out their who have undergone this for their women because they felt pressured into doing so. cf brazilian]
I wonder if any of the commenters above would say that this sounds just fine, and that they don’t mind that their daughters will be expected to submit to this by the young men currently being ‘educated’ by the internet?
One could equally well say the last Die Hard movie was socialising boys into driving cars into helicopters. The plural of anecdote is not data, and we have no data to support Dines’ assertions, just her steady stream of anecdote.
So many assumptions, so much ideology, so little evidence.
The women I know who shave/wax (friends, my partner and and all of her four sisters) do it because they want to and because they like it. These are strong, mature, independent women in their forties. The suggestion that they are doing it because their partners want them to would be greeted by astonished laughter. My partner watches porn because she enjoys it. I shave (scrotum only) because I like it and my partner likes it. It makes me feel sexy. I don’t need any more reasons.
Why is this writer unable to accept that many (the vast majority, in my experience) women are in complete control of their own bodies and their own sexuality?
Why is there never any response to the damning objections that: a) Many women watch porn, and b) many gay men watch porn. How is it that these people – the millions of women and gay men who watch porn – are somehow contributing or participating in the objectification and oppression of women?
Apart from any end-credit touting a writer as “internationally acclaimed,” this post can be completely disregarded as a polemic by two things: First, she writes that genital waxing became popular in porn “not least because it makes the women look pre-pubescent.” She has, and cannot offer because there is none, any evidence whatsoever for this completely ad hominum claim. Second, in the Sex and the City movie, Carrie doesn’t shame Miranda for not getting a Brazilian wax. Her exact meaning is ambiguous , but she’s shaming her either for not getting a bikini wax or for not keeping herself trimmed/groomed. That’s a very different thing.
This post is merely a fulminating polemic. I’m always unnerved when I realize people like this are allowed to speak to impressionable young minds.
Apologies — “ad hominem.”
Oh yay! Carrie shames Miranda for something or other about her pubic hair but not necessarily for not stripping it all off with hot wax. Oh well that’s totally healthy then!! It’s great to have movies where women police the “grooming” of each other’s genitalia.
Jeezis.
Thank you for saying it: Stepford Slut.
THANK YOU for this article.
I was born in Soviet Union and I remember hordes of people worshipping eternally alive Lenin, Communism and being sure of how we will burn United States to the ground. I had seen it go and come under destruction.
It doesn’t surprise me that you see people worshipping porn, misogyny, and doing nonsense like waxing, being brainwashed by media, etc, etc. I had seen it all and I had seen it go. Something tells me I will see THIS will go to.
This reign of porn–it is Roman empire (Western world) burning down. US will be facing major economic crisis soon… In China (thanks god) porn is illegal.
It will be gone. Our civilization comes in cycles and what you see now is a shadow of decomposing and rotting Roman Empire. Morals are low everywhere in the West.
Don’t worry about it, this will come to pass too. :]]
I see absolute lack of morale, values among the youngest US generation (it spread onto my former country as well). This is a consequence of economic affluence, but this affluence is not likely to last here.
Btw, every physician knows that waxing is extremely unhealthy and causes recurrent infections.
Well, tomorrow they might start telling people to cut their left ear off to be hawt… :] should we even bother about it? Fools makes their own choses.
Now, sorry got to run, need to inject my Testosterone cypionate… so much to porn.
Okay okay Tyro. Yeah, I went a bit off topic there, sorry. But you know what I’m saying right? Listen to this idiot. These misandrists get me all hot under the collar and shit, forgive me, I’m still a kid. I haven’t had the internet for long and I’m coming across these fuckin’ fruitcakes and they’re blowin’ me little mind.
She was acting like a troll so most people wrote her off. Some hints:
* 4 posts in a row talking to herself
* calling people who disagree with her “brainwashed sluts”
* calling 50% of the world “vile, evil and horrible”
* random capitalization
* less-than-reasonable suggestions for solving the problem like “Go cut your d**s off, animals”
If her problem is that guys are behaving poorly, screaming insults at her is only going to confirm her beliefs and make guys look a little worse. And no matter what the debate, telling someone to “go die” will always make you look like an irrational dofus.
And lets be real here – men are more violent in general (eg: the US Bureau of Stats say 10-20% of women will be raped in their lifetime and 99% of rapists are men). By even hinting at violence you don’t just look like a dofus, you look scary and threatening which is not appropriate, even to trolls.
You apologized which give you a lot of credit, far more than our troll friend did. I think people can read what she said and see that you were provoked and spoke in haste, no harm done.
Sorry; I did some belated cleaning up. Clearly I need to monitor this particular thread more carefully than usual.
Oh hellz naw!! I only gone and got my dang comment deleted, why do I have to go and run my gums so much!!! Anywho, ya’ll know I’m right.
You can’t be generalizing based on gender, each man is different to the next, we’re not all clones of one another. I hate all this “Menz iz evil! Dat guy Pat Riarchy iz keepin’ me down!!!” As a young man, I’m not taking any blame for this “porn culture” because I didn’t ever contribute to it, I’m not bearing any of the burden. I’m not interested in porn and I’m not running about telling women how to look. I’m just doin’ ma own thang!! So if any women want me to feel bad for having a Y chromosome…I suppose you can just go and eat my trouser biscuits.
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I’m sorry some women can’t handle the fact that men select sexual partners based largely on physical attractiveness. It’s just evolution and human nature.
Sometimes life is unfair so just accept it and make the best of what you have.